Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted December 18, 2017 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted December 18, 2017 But, but, but....America is why their version of socialism is failing. Hundreds of children are dying of starvation in Venezuela TOP STORIES Axios Hundreds of children are dying of starvation in Venezuela "As Venezuela Collapses, Children Are Dying of Hunger: For five months, The New York Times tracked 21 public hospitals in Venezuela [on the northern hump of South America]. Doctors are seeing record numbers of children with severe malnutrition. Hundreds have died": Why it matters: "For many low-income families, the crisis has completely redrawn the social landscape. Parents ... go days without eating, shriveling to the weight of children themselves. Women line up at sterilization clinics to avoid having children they can't feed. Young boys leave home and join street gangs to scavenge for scraps ... Crowds of adults storm Dumpsters after restaurants close. Babies die because it is hard to find or afford infant formula, even in emergency rooms." "President Nicolás Maduro has acknowledged that people are hungry in Venezuela, but he has refused to accept international aid, often saying that Venezuela's economic problems are caused by foreign adversaries like the United States, which he says is waging an economic war against his country." "Venezuela has the largest proven oil reserves in the world. But in the last three years its economy has collapsed" — the legacy of inflation, mismanagement, corruption under the late President Hugo Chávez." "Riots and protests over the lack of affordable food, excruciating long lines for basic provisions, soldiers posted outside bakeries and angry crowds ransacking grocery stores have rattled cities, providing a telling, public display of the depths of the crisis." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildboer Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 Fuck colonialism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T1R9sledder Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 4 hours ago, Highmark said: But, but, but....America is why their version of socialism is failing. Hundreds of children are dying of starvation in Venezuela TOP STORIES Axios Hundreds of children are dying of starvation in Venezuela "As Venezuela Collapses, Children Are Dying of Hunger: For five months, The New York Times tracked 21 public hospitals in Venezuela [on the northern hump of South America]. Doctors are seeing record numbers of children with severe malnutrition. Hundreds have died": Why it matters: "For many low-income families, the crisis has completely redrawn the social landscape. Parents ... go days without eating, shriveling to the weight of children themselves. Women line up at sterilization clinics to avoid having children they can't feed. Young boys leave home and join street gangs to scavenge for scraps ... Crowds of adults storm Dumpsters after restaurants close. Babies die because it is hard to find or afford infant formula, even in emergency rooms." "President Nicolás Maduro has acknowledged that people are hungry in Venezuela, but he has refused to accept international aid, often saying that Venezuela's economic problems are caused by foreign adversaries like the United States, which he says is waging an economic war against his country." "Venezuela has the largest proven oil reserves in the world. But in the last three years its economy has collapsed" — the legacy of inflation, mismanagement, corruption under the late President Hugo Chávez." "Riots and protests over the lack of affordable food, excruciating long lines for basic provisions, soldiers posted outside bakeries and angry crowds ransacking grocery stores have rattled cities, providing a telling, public display of the depths of the crisis." A shining example of what the USA should strive for...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 Venezuala is just doing it wrong. Or did it wrong. Can they reset and try again? This time...every citizen should REALLY, REALLY buy into it. I mean..really, really buy in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T1R9sledder Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 13 minutes ago, Zambroski said: Venezuala is just doing it wrong. Or did it wrong. Can they reset and try again? This time...every citizen should REALLY, REALLY buy into it. I mean..really, really buy in. Who's going to give/loan them the money to buy into it? Clinton Foundation?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Muskoka Rider Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 If one was to be truthful about it, this is the direct result of the IMF and world bank. The influence they have, and the way that policy in nations involved with the IMF and world bank then set policy to squeeze the country. When oil dropped in price, they could not longer survive under the sanctions. sad but true. Pay up and let us rape your resources, or we will starve your people. It really has nothing to do with socialism, other than that the oil was nationalized. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muskoka Rider Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 2007, this is when the USA declared Chavez to be a terrorist. As soon as he stopped playing the borrow and get raped for resources game with the USA, the sanctions and false narratives began. It took 8 long years to get them to this point, and if oil never dropped, they never would have been able to. Saddest part is, the people in the USA are fucking clueless about the reall fukery going on here. http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/01/world/americas/01iht-venez.1.5513389.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildboer Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 1 hour ago, Zambroski said: Venezuala is just doing it wrong. Or did it wrong. Can they reset and try again? This time...every citizen should REALLY, REALLY buy into it. I mean..really, really buy in. Venezuela is a victim of American colonialism and if we hadn't fucked with their country in attemp to spread capitalist democracy we wouldn't have this problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muskoka Rider Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 3 minutes ago, Wildboer said: Venezuela is a victim of American colonialism and if we hadn't fucked with their country in attemp to spread capitalist democracy we wouldn't have this problem. We wanted to control their oil. They were then punished when Chavez booted them out. now, even this article lays blame on Chavez. Laughable, the truth in this matter is easy to see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 10 minutes ago, Wildboer said: Venezuela is a victim of American colonialism and if we hadn't fucked with their country in attemp to spread capitalist democracy we wouldn't have this problem. Ok, so...we created this problem so that we could have this problem. Got it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muskoka Rider Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 1 minute ago, Zambroski said: Ok, so...we created this problem so that we could have this problem. Got it. No, so we could have that oil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 Just now, Muskoka Rider said: No, so we could have that oil. Do we have it now? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muskoka Rider Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 Just now, Zambroski said: Do we have it now? Not yet. Why don't you look at the plays made since Chavez nationalized the oil and booted out the IMF. Seriously, take a look at the move's made after that turning point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 Just now, Muskoka Rider said: Not yet. Why don't you look at the plays made since Chavez nationalized the oil and booted out the IMF. Seriously, take a look at the move's made after that turning point. So he was outmaneuvered and outsmarted on the world’s oil stage. And instead of him realizing he was beat, he doubled, tripled and quadrupled down For the results he’s getting. The guy was a clown and a slime ball. A two bit dictator with a pocket full of nickels to try and play cards with the big boys. Problem is, “Uno” wasn’t the game. It is what it is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 Just now, Zambroski said: So he was outmaneuvered and outsmarted on the world’s oil stage. And instead of him realizing he was beat, he doubled, tripled and quadrupled down For the results he’s getting. The guy was a clown and a slime ball. A two bit dictator with a pocket full of nickels to try and play cards with the big boys. Problem is, “Uno” wasn’t the game. It is what it is. Lol, this is so fucking dumb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 'it is what it is' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 Just now, motonoggin said: Lol, this is so fucking dumb. How? Because it makes you emotional? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 Just now, Zambroski said: How? Because it makes you emotional? No because it's quite obvious that you have zero interest in actually finding the truth about a given subject, you just want to run your suck pump and say nothing significant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muskoka Rider Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 2 minutes ago, Zambroski said: How? Because it makes you emotional? No buddy, it really is stupid. You clearly have no desire, or perhaps ability to understand it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 13 minutes ago, motonoggin said: No because it's quite obvious that you have zero interest in actually finding the truth about a given subject, you just want to run your suck pump and say nothing significant. Ok, sum it up simply for me. How did Venezuala end up like it is now? Don't say it isn't simple...cuz if you look for just a couple of common denominators, the finger starts to point at just one or two things. 13 minutes ago, Muskoka Rider said: No buddy, it really is stupid. You clearly have no desire, or perhaps ability to understand it. 'Splain it then. Again...SIMPLY. I have no interest in some long drawn out world conspiracy story. "One man, his country and his trusty dog, take on the world!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 You know what....nevermind. Let me do it. A continued socialist agenda by innept and corrupt dicators slowly started to put a stess on resources slated to get to the population. The world saw the instability due to what almost all consider a flawed system of economics and a system that is always headed for failure. As such, world financial backing dried up. And so did customers looking for their exports due to them being risky. The people started to suffer even more and revolted leaving the fragile socialistic system in complete chaos. Sound about right? It should. Less certain details concerning resources, this is pretty much how all socialistic economic plans work out. If they don't, the citizens are fortunate enough to share the riches and wealth of a fine and equal distribution system. Like Cubans do. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 9 minutes ago, Zambroski said: Ok, sum it up simply for me. How did Venezuala end up like it is now? Don't say it isn't simple...cuz if you look for just a couple of common denominators, the finger starts to point at just one or two things. 'Splain it then. Again...SIMPLY. I have no interest in some long drawn out world conspiracy story. "One man, his country and his trusty dog, take on the world!" Venezuela nationalized their oil production so the whole country would see the benefits of the exploitation of their collective natural resources. That kind of thing is a big nono as far as the hyper capitalist West is concerned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Zambroski Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 Just now, motonoggin said: Venezuela nationalized their oil production so the whole country would see the benefits of the exploitation of their collective natural resources. That kind of thing is a big nono as far as the hyper capitalist West is concerned. What did the nationalization of their production do to their oil prices? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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