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fuck that, make them read a little. interestingly, there's more on his page https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/2021/legislators/assembly/2202 6/3/2021: 2021 Assembly Bill 372 Relating to: passenger restrictions on all-terrain vehicles. 5/27/2021: 2021 Assembly Bill 366 Relating to: snowmobile noise and the operation of snowmobiles, all-terrain vehicles, and utility terrain vehicles near highways. 5/27/2021: 2021 Assembly Bill 365 Relating to: whip lights on all-terrain and utility terrain vehicles. 5/25/2021: 2021 Senate Bill 368 Relating to: passenger restrictions on all-terrain vehicles. 5/25/2021: 2021 Senate Bill 364 Relating to: snowmobile noise and the operation of snowmobiles, all-terrain vehicles, and utility terrain vehicles near highways. 5/14/2021: 2021 Senate Bill 353 Relating to: whip lights on all-terrain and utility terrain vehicles. loud cans and riding off trail is the biggest gripe I hear about, and repeat. snowmobiles in WI are predominantly on private property, and some fail to recognize that or give a shit. Most imo aren't 'locals' and have no skin in the game, unlike those that have to go out and beg for permission. also fwiw, at least loud sleds are running around in the winter when peoples windows are closed and most seasonal northwoods cottages are closed up, it's the fuckwads with loud exhaust on ORV's that made us stop hanging out at one friends cottage in NE Wisconsin and is making them (who live there year round) consider selling their place. Heck, at my buddies place nestled into the boondocks of the Chequamegon in NE Wis. (and I mean literally miles away from a road or trail of any kind) you can hear the things that don't have stock exhaust like they are 100 yards away. yeah, yeah, same can be said of Harleys, also a summertime issue. I agree on a year cutoff to an extent, but the older sleds with triple pipes and the F7 can-tards... those are loud and there's still plenty of them running around. a law is only as good as it's enforcement, and I don't foresee WI setting up checkpoints for db tests like the UP I can't find the original article... but here's a copy/paste job of 'right to repair' from 2010 - not sure if it still applies but if I ever got a ticket for exhaust that isn't stock (like my 720 that requires a D&D pipe but stock muffler) but passed a db test I'd use it. Aftermarket Exhausts - Legal? By Olav Aaen Published: September 17, 2010 Low impact - Today's sleds are well tuned and their exhaust systems meet government sound rules. But what about aftermarket exhausts? Are aftermarket exhausts legal to use on your snowmobile? Many snowmobilers ask this question, and if you listen to law enforcement officers you would think that nothing but an OEM system is allowed. This has been a thorny issue in the snowmobile world for years, as many law enforcement officers do not even take the time to sound test your machine, but just open the hood and give you a citation if you have installed an aftermarket system. Let's make one thing clear, aftermarket systems are legal as long as they meet the industry sound standards. The legal part Limiting a customer to buy only original equipment parts is itself illegal. It is against federal restraint of trade laws put in place to prevent monopolistic trade practices. Imagine if you could only buy an original OEM muffler for your car, and every muffler shop, including Midas, Car-X and the corner shop were forced to close. The parts and installation costs would soar and make car dealership service managers smile from ear to ear. "Restraint of Trade" legislation was put in place precisely to prevent monopolistic pricing by OEMs in all industries and foster competition in the marketplace. In a landmark case, the Illinois Supreme Court reversed a previous lower court's $1 billion ruling against State Farm Insurance. Consumers had filed a class action lawsuit against the insurance firm for using aftermarket body parts in the repair of collision-damaged vehicles. The Supreme Court reversed the lower court's ruling, which was said to have kept the cost of collision repair artificially high and support an OEM monopoly. The same applies to all aftermarket parts, whether they are fenders, mufflers, brakes, fan belts, filters, oil, pistons or any other replacement or performance product. The political part There have been a lot of problems with haphazard noise level enforcement throughout snowmobiling's history, at least since the mid-1960s. Early machines used primitive industrial engines with simple, not very quiet mufflers. As the number of people enjoying our winter sport took off, complaints about noise increased. As more sophisticated manufacturers entered the market, some saw it as an opportunity to gain market share if they could produce quieter snowmobiles and the other players could be "banned." So, a fierce political struggle ensued and as a result some very restrictive sound levels were established for purely political reasons. No study was ever made or published that determined what sound level would actually be acceptable to the public. This condition exists even today. Through a lot of activity by the ISR (International Snowmobile Racing) aftermarket group, the manufacturers, numerous clubs and state associations, the SAE (Society of Automotive Engineers) and the DNR we now have a more reasonable sound level and a better testing procedure. However, the level set was still done so with political motives and is still probably 50% stricter than it needs to be. The problem with reducing sound levels at the old 50-foot drive-by standard was not the exhaust, but all the mechanical clatter that became primary once the exhaust level was reduced below the 90 dB(A) level. Some super quiet machines were rejected by the public because the mechanical clatter was so annoying that the machines were brought back to the dealers on a weekly basis to "fix the broken parts." As a result, those manufacturers that pushed for super quiet machines actually went out of business, while those who kept the sound level slightly above the "mechanical rattle limit" did well. But sound really became a problem when not only some power happy kids installed racing exhausts and had fun racing down rivers at 2 a.m., but some manufacturers started selling really loud twin- and triple-powered performance sleds to gain an edge in the performance segment. In the past there were some OEMs and some aftermarket players that sold by marketing excessive sound levels. This hit its peak in the late 1990s. Not unjustified, the clubs who were threatened by trail closure, and state DNR officials jumped on the problem. When Wisconsin's DNR tried to do testing they found that the drive-by acceleration test was almost unusable in real world conditions, and they also found that there was a large difference in sound levels out there. Sound studio - Arctic Cat has its own sound chamber to test its engine and exhaust systems to make sure they comply with all regulations.Loud pipes & sound testing Even just 10 years ago some aftermarket pipes were very loud while others were quiet, and some manufacturers' performance sleds were way above the legal limit, while other makers' sleds were quiet. Making a quiet exhaust while maintaining good performance is not mutually exclusive, because 2-stroke exhausts thrive on back pressure. A performance exhaust also can be quiet, and lightweight if it's designed correctly. While all this was going on, ISR's aftermarket division designed a new test procedure that could be used at racetracks to control new race silencer rules. The test had to be stationary, and the engine revved to a certain rpm and measurements taken at a set distance. It was quickly determined that the 20-inch motorcycle test picks up too many variables because of mechanical noises and sharp pressure pulses. This evened out as the distance increased. The first ISR test used a 4-foot distance with the engine running at 3,000 rpm. After awhile the DNR and their SAE consultants also recommended a stationary test, but at a larger distance of 6.2 meters (157.5 inches or 13 ft., 1.5 in.) at 4,000 rpm. The new maximum limit was increased to 88 dB(A) because the test is conducted at a much closer 13 ft. distance. The former drive-by test limit was 78 dB(A) at 50 ft., but the two procedures should be comparable. After many public hearings, the process culminated at a meeting in Wausau, Wis., on Dec. 15, 2003 at the University of Wisconsin's Marathon County campus. Representatives from the manufacturers, ISR aftermarket group, snowmobile clubs, SAE and the DNR were present, and the new DNR-sponsored SAE test was agreed on as a much improved field test. The new and more practical sound test is now in place, and gives all manufacturers an easier way to test and certify their products. The new (SAE J-2567) test also makes it easier for aftermarket manufacturers to develop legal sound systems. Most aftermarket exhausts now meet these new standards, so there should be no reason to get a ticket. The verdict It's definitely not illegal to install an aftermarket exhaust, if it meets the new sound standard. In order to issue an excessive sound citation, an officer must also test the sound level. The sound test is simple, and the equipment necessary costs less than $1,000, so there is no excuse for a law enforcement officer not to have one available. Some areas see ticketing snowmobiles for sound violations as an easy source of income, and they are counting on you just paying the ticket rather than going to court, because many may not be aware of the new sound test procedure. Going to court without a sound reading, would be the same as getting a speeding ticket without a radar reading, and the case will likely be thrown out for lack of evidence. Remember that if an officer just lifts your snowmobile's hood and gives you a ticket for a non-OEM exhaust, he is in violation of federal restraint of trade laws and is engaging in discriminatory and monopolistic actions. Ask the officer to perform the test, and if he or she refuses, or doesn't have the equipment, you should have grounds for challenging a ticket in court. We have found that in other areas, such as the Upper Peninsula of Michigan, DNR officers do not bother with sound readings, but are heavy on checking riders' alcohol levels. Here the attitude is, "No one died from a loud pipe, but excessive alcohol use is a major contributing factor in deadly accidents." The Michigan attitude is a welcome one, as alcohol related fatal accidents is black mark on our sport and every year attracts much negative press. If law enforcement would concentrate more effort in this area, the trails would be safer and more lives saved. Final word? It is NOT illegal to buy an aftermarket exhaust system that meets the sound standard, and you can still have fun on the snow with your modified sled

limited apparel lots of adult beverages Cat showed everyone a big fat nothing burger but I wasn't there wait, do you mean the grass drags?

just ran across this...

how about some sort of 4sale/wanted/trade page for users?

looking for a 42/44 Helix for a TSS04 to test with... @Tommcat or anyone else?

https://www.c-span.org/video/?165947-1/defense-business-practices then it got even worse... https://www.city-journal.org/html/americas-missing-money-15725.html it's your $, and my $ it's also become your children's $, grandchildren's $, and great grandchildren's $, etc. etc. etc. the incompetence and corruption of our elected officials on both sides of the aisle, and of the many branches of government is staggeringly overwhelming but they'll keep on dog whistling you away from paying attention with gun rights, gay rights, abortions and other topics that have little to nothing to do with the business of government sad...

From FB: Wesley Selby 2h · Very excited to be joining team @skidoo and all the new team mates. My new focus will be racing the @rmsha hillclimb circuit full time and when time allows racing xc at select events that do no conflict. I am pumped to get these new sleds in my hands and start racking up some miles.

seems to me Textron is focusing on mountain and 'it's not a kid sled' sleds then loses Selby to SkiDoo for RMSHA (no word of Selby running XC this season though unless I missed it) for those who grew up with Cat being focused on racing and performance trail sleds, those days seem to be over. and... where was the 2022 RXC at Hay Days, or is it just the 2018/2019/2021 again ?

Chicago knows that game, and may have invented it.

I see the similarity but their hole shot device ain't werkin bro

It's a ZL1 Camaro with a useable back seat and extra doors, and it's bitchin. Wish they made a wagon version like the old V

probably searching for the real killers with OJ Simpson Overall in New York City, Biden received 2,321,759 votes, 76%, to Trump’s 691,682 votes, or 23%

anyone know/seen the age demographics of the unvaxed, short of the under 12 segment? could get interesting for people getting close to retirement age that might not want to switch employers or careers...

Ditto, big Bond and Daniel Craig fan. Sucks this is has last one, he's served the role well.

I smell epic Cat fail wasn't it you a while back that stated something along the lines of 'racers want to win and will try to be on the most competitive brand'?

if that's the 2022 SX sled, then wtf are they unveiling at 1:30, another model of the B-Last?

Poo shot their wad early? https://snowgoer.com/news/2022-polaris-600r-snocross-xc-sleds-650-mod-motor-unveiled/29657/?fbclid=IwAR0DeliK-6Jdt_KbGLCZgFdneO6gQ-F_MlyusmxlOuf88mjEX9EVKpVFKkg

Hay Days today... post up what you find on the new sleds from Poo & Doo, and any of the new 2018 Cats borrowed these from @Ziemann off HCS

and then...

Shocker, it's not Fox or CNN

divided we... wait, you're drunk again aren't you?

oh fuck... Zamb got into the Chardonnay and the Land's End catalogs again. I've been down this road... Good night kids

your body, your choice? I'll be there in four hours to take you to an abortion clinic, or to get vaxxed, or to buy you a butter burger. purely for 'religious reasons'...

what I find funny, is that Biden ended the extra $300 for unemployment, started vaccine mandates and (lmao) now "there are a lot of people resigning due to mandates " and there's no unemployment compensation for people who quit their jobs. what I find sad and maddening is that this country is truly F - U - C - K - E - D if we can't come together to stop/lessen/mitigate a 'weak little' Chinese 'flu-like' virus from dividing all of us freedom loving, greatest country god ever created, gun loving tough guys on this planet. tomorrow is the 20th anniversary of 9-11 where about 3K people died and we united then went to war (or two) over it, the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor killing 2,400 american's which was amplified much by further american casualties in the Pacific theater, while the current Covid death count in the US (agree with #'s or don't) is 659K+ and we're literally fighting each other, over a fucking vaccine... rather than uniting to fight the virus? how fucking stupid are we? 'we' are losing, as 'we' are what the virus needs to thrive and survive, and the fucking virus is WINNING.... how does that keep alluding people? where's my Scotch?

unless it's related to people of color or alternative sexual orientation... or those that seek an abortion? confusing... let me get a pen.