Capt.Storm Posted July 27, 2016 Author Share Posted July 27, 2016 It does seem that the repubs are playing games with Barry with the vets..not giving the money that barry has asked for without strings..but that kinda chit goes on all the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt.Storm Posted July 27, 2016 Author Share Posted July 27, 2016 I just hope that Trump does great for the vets and their problems when he gets elected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoslinger Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 major issues in front of us and some of the resident dipshits like racer are worried about flags on the dnc stage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer254 Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 Just now, Snoslinger said: major issues in front of us and some of the resident dipshits like racer are worried about flags on the dnc stage. Grab your other idiot mc and tell him how the senate democrats were able to block this even though the vote was 52-48. WASHINGTON — Senate Democrats on Tuesday blocked a federal spending bill that would have provided $1.1 billion to fight the mosquito-borne Zika virus, saying Republicans had sabotaged the legislation with politically charged provisions. The move raised the possibility that no new money would be available soon to fight the disease as Southern states brace for a summer outbreak. The stalemate, accompanied by a sharp war of words on the Senate floor, raised the prospect that the partisan divide in Congress was hindering the government’s ability to respond effectively to a pressing public health emergency. Democrats said they blocked the bill because Republicans were using the must-pass legislation to score political points, jam through unpalatable policy changes and cut money from other programs, including provisions that would hinder access to contraception for women and weaken environmental restrictions on pesticide use. Republicans, in turn, accused Democrats of manufacturing excuses for blocking the bill, but they did not dispute that some of the provisions favored Republican policy positions. Democrats and the White House have been pushing since February for the Republican majorities in Congress to approve $1.9 billion in emergency financing to fight Zika, which can cause brain damage and other serious defects in infants born to infected mothers. The Democrats reacted with disbelief on Tuesday as Republicans tried to turn the tables and blame Democrats for delaying the money because they had blocked the legislation. “We have a public health crisis descending on our country,” Senator Mitch McConnell, Republican of Kentucky and the majority leader, said after the vote. “Pregnant women all across America are looking at this with dismay, utter dismay, as we sit here in a partisan gridlock manufactured by the other side.” The Senate Democratic leader, Harry Reid of Nevada, was incensed. “I don’t know what universe my friend is living in,” Mr. Reid said, referring to Mr. McConnell. “What does he think? Does he think we’re all stupid? The American people are dumb?” The sniping continued as Senator John Cornyn of Texas, the No. 2 Republican, declared, “Our Democratic friends block it because they are sore losers.” Public health officials reacted with their own dismay at the breakdown on Capitol Hill. “If we don’t get new money, we won’t be able to do things at a pace that is necessary and appropriate to the urgency of this threat,” said Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, which is working on three potential vaccines against the Zika virus and overseeing a study of thousands of pregnant women infected with the virus. In May, the Senate approved $1.1 billion in funding after months of partisan brinkmanship, during which the Obama administration ultimately redirected nearly $600 million previously approved to fight the Ebola virus so that federal health agencies could get a start on working against the Zika virus. House Republicans, in turn, adopted legislation providing $622 million, with most of the money cut and redirected from other federal programs — a move opposed by Democrats who said the money for Zika should be treated as an emergency expenditure. Ultimately, Democrats were willing to go along with the Senate version, but in talks controlled strictly by Republicans, House and Senate negotiators agreed last week to provide $1.1 billion, with $750 million in cuts and policy changes. Democrats charged that Republicans had booby-trapped the legislation by adding provisions that would restrict the role of Planned Parenthood, the women’s health organization, and similar clinics in providing contraceptive services related to fighting the Zika virus, which can be transmitted sexually. The Democrats also said that Republicans had inserted a provision cutting $540 million in financing from the Affordable Care Act, President Obama’s signature health care law, and that they had stripped a House provision that would ban the flying of the Confederate battle flag in federal cemeteries. Another provision of the bill that Democrats disliked was a further reallocation of money from Ebola programs, totaling $107 million. Democrats have long maintained that money previously appropriated to fight Ebola is vitally needed. Even as officials brace for the arrival in the continental United States of mosquitoes carrying Zika, the Obama administration does have some flexibility in reapportioning funds among different health programs — in addition to the nearly $600 million already taken from Ebola programs — while waiting for Congress to act. The White House has been reluctant to specify how much money it might be able to temporarily redirect to fight Zika — or how long it would be able to make do — because that could ease pressure on Congress to approve the new money. Why scientists are worried about the growing epidemic and its effects on pregnant women, and how to avoid the infection. Whichever side is more to blame, it was clear that no new government funds would be approved to fight the Zika virus until after Congress returned from a recess for the Fourth of July holiday. And even then, the prospects of an agreement are uncertain. With Southern states expected to be hit hardest by Zika, lawmakers representing Florida have been among those pushing hardest for bipartisan action. But even Floridians were divided on Tuesday. Senator Bill Nelson, Democrat of Florida, said Republicans had poisoned the chances for moving ahead by blocking money for Planned Parenthood, knowing Democrats would never agree. “They’re just not living in the real world, and they’re just not facing the fact that this is an emergency,” Mr. Nelson said. He noted that at least five babies had been born with microcephaly in the United States — the most recent one in Florida — but said he expected the disagreements to continue. “We go until enough of these horrible cases are born that it is finally beginning to penetrate their hard heads,” he said. Senator Marco Rubio, Mr. Nelson’s Republican counterpart from Florida, blamed Democrats’ political motives for sinking the bill. “It’s a talking point that they want to take into the July Fourth recess, unfortunately,” Mr. Rubio said. Democrats on Tuesday morning urged renewed negotiations, but Mr. Cornyn, speaking to reporters off the floor, said matter-of-factly, “There’s not going to be another opportunity to deal with this for the near future.” The vote on Tuesday morning was 52 to 48, with Republicans falling short of the 60 votes needed to overcome a Democratic filibuster and advance the bill to a final vote. The debate was so sharp that Senator John Barrasso, Republican of Wyoming, accused Democrats of favoring insects over people in their opposition to easing the pesticide restrictions. “The Democrats are more focused on protecting the mosquito than they are protecting people,” he said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt.Storm Posted July 27, 2016 Author Share Posted July 27, 2016 2 minutes ago, Snoslinger said: major issues in front of us and some of the resident dipshits like racer are worried about flags on the dnc stage. To be fair..I brought it up. I do think it shows something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1jkw Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 1 hour ago, Capt.Storm said: It does seem that the repubs are playing games with Barry with the vets..not giving the money that barry has asked for without strings..but that kinda chit goes on all the time. Yeah no big deal they got flags so it makes it alright. Vets killing themselves while political games are played, don't matter, just show your patriotism make sure you gat flag hanging and al is good. Right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt.Storm Posted July 27, 2016 Author Share Posted July 27, 2016 2 minutes ago, 1jkw said: Yeah no big deal they got flags so it makes it alright. Vets killing themselves while political games are played, don't matter, just show your patriotism make sure you gat flag hanging and al is good. Right? They are all fucked in the head no doubt, But not flying the flag the first day says something. I mean they are flying it now for some reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1jkw Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 Just now, Capt.Storm said: They are all fucked in the head no doubt, But not flying the flag the first day says something. I mean they are flying it now for some reason. Couldn't be that things were busy changing stages from one speaker to another or to make room for a band, has to be they aren't patriotic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt.Storm Posted July 27, 2016 Author Share Posted July 27, 2016 2 minutes ago, 1jkw said: Couldn't be that things were busy changing stages from one speaker to another or to make room for a band, has to be they aren't patriotic. No I watched it pretty much the whole day..there were none to be seen...some in the crowd though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1jkw Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 Just now, Capt.Storm said: No I watched it pretty much the whole day..there were none to be seen...some in the crowd though. So in your opinion what is worse not flying a flag or cutting Veterans benefits? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer254 Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 4 minutes ago, 1jkw said: Couldn't be that things were busy changing stages from one speaker to another or to make room for a band, has to be they aren't patriotic. Did either party start out with the national anthem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt.Storm Posted July 27, 2016 Author Share Posted July 27, 2016 (edited) 3 minutes ago, 1jkw said: So in your opinion what is worse not flying a flag or cutting Veterans benefits? Well what do think..wtf..stupid question. Some mistake not getting all that they want as a cut. But that said it sure looks like the repubs have not been giving the support to the vets that i would like to see. Edited July 27, 2016 by Capt.Storm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1jkw Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 Just now, racer254 said: Did either party start out with the national anthem? I have no idea if they did or didn't, only watched parts of both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1jkw Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 1 minute ago, Capt.Storm said: Well what do think..wtf..stupid question. Some mistake not getting all that they want as a cut. But that said it sure looks like the repubs have not been giving the support to the vets that i would like to see. No, not a stupid question, you make a post about no flags while continually supporting a party that doesn't take care of our Veterans, you need only google cuts to Veterans to see the shameful shit they pull, far worse than not having a flag showing, imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt.Storm Posted July 27, 2016 Author Share Posted July 27, 2016 Just now, 1jkw said: No, not a stupid question, you make a post about no flags while continually supporting a party that doesn't take care of our Veterans, you need only google cuts to Veterans to see the shameful shit they pull, far worse than not having a flag showing, imo. Well it was a stupid question if you knew me at all. I will have to research more to see wtf is up and why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer254 Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 6 minutes ago, 1jkw said: No, not a stupid question, you make a post about no flags while continually supporting a party that doesn't take care of our Veterans, you need only google cuts to Veterans to see the shameful shit they pull, far worse than not having a flag showing, imo. 3 minutes ago, Capt.Storm said: Well it was a stupid question if you knew me at all. I will have to research more to see wtf is up and why. I am waiting for anything that might at least give us a clue to what 1jkw is talking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1jkw Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 3 minutes ago, Capt.Storm said: Well it was a stupid question if you knew me at all. I will have to research more to see wtf is up and why. Like I said google cut to Veterans benefits, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer254 Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 4 minutes ago, 1jkw said: Like I said google cut to Veterans benefits, You google that and all you get is a bunch of bias articles. Give me the bill number or something without the bias. I don't need someone's opinion, I want to read the bill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1jkw Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 Just now, racer254 said: I am waiting for anything that might at least give us a clue to what 1jkw is talking about. The article you chose to post did not list all the places the money was to come from to pay for the zika virus, if you google cuts to Veterans benefits you will see who cuts the funds for Veterans, in my lifetime no president ever treated the Veterans worse than the hero of the republicans, that being Reagan and you can google that too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt.Storm Posted July 27, 2016 Author Share Posted July 27, 2016 (edited) 9 minutes ago, 1jkw said: Like I said google cut to Veterans benefits, oh I'm reading plenty. But at the heart of the matter it seems the right wants to privatize veterans benefits if you look deep...and apparently the vets don't want it. Edited July 27, 2016 by Capt.Storm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1jkw Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 1 minute ago, racer254 said: You google that and all you get is a bunch of bias articles. Give me the bill number or something without the bias. I don't need someone's opinion, I want to read the bill. Bias because you don't get the answers you like. The republicans control the house and senate, why haven't they done something to help the Veterans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt.Storm Posted July 27, 2016 Author Share Posted July 27, 2016 But yes it does look bad for the right ..some of it is politics that they don't want to give Barry what hes been asking for over the years for vets..and that's wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer254 Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 (edited) 2 minutes ago, 1jkw said: Bias because you don't get the answers you like. The republicans control the house and senate, why haven't they done something to help the Veterans. Ok, Why didn't your zika bill pass? Take a good look at what and who is running the VA and the crap that is going on. Go place your blame where it should be. Edited July 27, 2016 by racer254 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1jkw Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 1 minute ago, Capt.Storm said: oh I reading plenty. But at the heart of the matter it seems the right wants to privatize veterans benefits if you look deep...and apparently the vets don't want it. At the heart of the matter is they don't want to spend the money needed to address the problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt.Storm Posted July 27, 2016 Author Share Posted July 27, 2016 (edited) One party is always trying to hurt the other ...that's why chit doesn't get done really. We deserve better from both parties no doubt. Edited July 27, 2016 by Capt.Storm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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