Sleepr2 Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 1 minute ago, SnowRider said: Money isn’t speech Except for unions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted January 20, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted January 20, 2023 (edited) 1 minute ago, SnowRider said: Money isn’t speech Really? Buying a full page ad in the NYT's isn't money as speech? Spending $30 million for a 30 second spot during the Superbowl isn't money as speech? You think Jeff Bezos bought the WaPa out of the goodness of his heart or he liked the message (speech) they put out. Edited January 20, 2023 by Highmark 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member SnowRider Posted January 20, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted January 20, 2023 Just now, Highmark said: Really? Buying a full page ad in the NYT's isn't money as speech? Spending $30 million for a 30 second spot during the Superbowl isn't money as speech? Money isn’t speech. So limiting money isn’t limiting speech Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted January 20, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted January 20, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, SnowRider said: Money isn’t speech. So limiting money isn’t limiting speech According to whom? Money can create speech. What do you think Political ads are? Edited January 20, 2023 by Highmark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer254 Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 This is just a plain ignorant topic to discuss. It isn't anything more than dem political pandering. So they can say..."see we tried, but those damn republicans" Only useful idiots fall for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member SnowRider Posted January 20, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted January 20, 2023 2 minutes ago, Highmark said: According to whom? Money can create speech. What do you think Political ads are? Your right wing argument is always - can’t limit money/donations because it violates ‘free speech’. Bullshit. Money is not speech and can be limited without limiting speech. Take your position to an extreme - why have any limits from anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member SnowRider Posted January 20, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted January 20, 2023 2 minutes ago, racer254 said: This is just a plain ignorant topic to discuss. It isn't anything more than dem political pandering. So they can say..."see we tried, but those damn republicans" Only useful idiots fall for it. You’re wrong but smart people are use to it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted January 20, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted January 20, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, SnowRider said: Your right wing argument is always - can’t limit money/donations because it violates ‘free speech’. Bullshit. Money is not speech and can be limited without limiting speech. Take your position to an extreme - why have any limits from anyone? Limits..... Zuckerberg and his wife donated around $400 million to help get Biden and other dems elected. Sure it might not have went directly to candidates but it was just as impactful if not more so. Edited January 20, 2023 by Highmark 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member SnowRider Posted January 20, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted January 20, 2023 1 minute ago, Highmark said: Limits..... Zuckerberg and his wife donated around $400 million to help get Biden elected. Sure it might not have went directly to candidates but it was just as impactful if not more so. And that’s bullshit. You cool with that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Steve753 Posted January 20, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted January 20, 2023 5 minutes ago, Highmark said: Limits..... Zuckerberg and his wife donated around $400 million to help get Biden and other dems elected. Sure it might not have went directly to candidates but it was just as impactful if not more so. He called it grants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted January 20, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted January 20, 2023 (edited) 23 minutes ago, SnowRider said: And that’s bullshit. You cool with that? As I stated before I would love to see changes to how money influences politics but I don't think the BCRA was the constitutional method of doing it. What is.....not sure and would be a good discussion. Some of the biggest money is in 527's and there is no donation limit to them and I think democrat ones raise far far more money. Its very well possible that limiting some money would hurt the left more than the right. Big tech and the MSM are the real wildcard here. They can spend endlessly on speech and the suppression thereof. I'm not sure how that can be balanced with contribution limits. There were parts of the BCRA I liked...not sure if they are still in tact though. Edited January 20, 2023 by Highmark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepr2 Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 1 hour ago, SnowRider said: You’re wrong but smart people are use to it Completely oblivious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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