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Trump administration advances plan to cut protections for largest national forest


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7 minutes ago, Edmo said:

All electric cars by 2035. Maybe they can get their act together by then? Meh, easier just to blame climate change.

I'm sure they'll have an all renewable grid by then... When it takes 8 years of environmental impact analysis to determine the impact to the migratory patterns of a non native Lithuanian beetle just to put up two miles of new power line... 🤣 

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5 hours ago, J. Jackson said:

Anyone know when the last major forest fire occured east of the Rockies? 

The Peshtigo fire was a very large forest fire that took place on October 8, 1871, in northeastern Wisconsin, United States, including much of the southern half of the Door Peninsula and adjacent parts of the Upper Peninsula of Michigan. The largest community in the affected area was Peshtigo, Wisconsin.

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22 hours ago, J. Jackson said:

Anyone know when the last major forest fire occured east of the Rockies? 

The Ham Lake fire of 2007 in the BWCA - where absolutely no logging is allowed.  Firefighters were trying to fight fires while crossing lakes in canoes.  It was fucking stupid.

On May 5, 2007, an unattended campfire ignited the Ham Lake Fire in the Superior National Forest in Minnesota. A dry winter and spring, coupled with strong winds, aided in the burning of 75,000 acres and the destruction of hundreds of properties. The fire was fueled by the 1999 Blowdown and would continue burning until containment on May 12, 2007. Prior collaboration between the Minnesota Department of Natural Resources, United States Forest Service, and the National Weather Service allowed for reduction of available fuels through the use of prescribed burns and mechanical treatment. The reduction in fuel limited the rate of spread and fire intensity in the area of the Ham Lake Fire.

 

At the time of the Ham Lake Fire, it was the second largest and costliest wildfire in the state's history since the Cloquet Fire of 1918. The Pagami Creek Fire of 2011 a few years later would be more costly, with over $21.6 million spent on fighting the fire, compared to the $11 million cost to fight the Ham Lake Fire. 

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I can't remember the last big fire we've had in the Northeast. Responsible logging is the only way to go. You walk into an old stand of trees and you'll notice how close they are to another tree. Take a look at how the lower branches on 40-60 ft trees often times have no leaves or needles. Where did they go? Just look around them and you see what is basically "gasoline". Doesn't take much to get it going. You've got to give trees some room for sunlight.

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