f7ben Posted February 20, 2019 Author Share Posted February 20, 2019 Just now, Whiskey Tango Foxtrot said: Stoichiometric @ altitude!!! Polar vortex!!! Dripper thought only 2 strokes lost power at altitude Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 Just now, f7ben said: Good gains you fucking brain dead fuck I even posted glen halls time slips on stock clutching with an added tune You got crushed Why wouldn’t you be able to get a time slip with Stock clutching Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted February 20, 2019 Author Share Posted February 20, 2019 Just now, Rod Johnson said: Why wouldn’t you be able to get a time slip with Stock clutching I posted that as well dumb fuck .75 seconds gain with just a tune You lose again you dick biting moron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 Just now, f7ben said: I posted that as well dumb fuck .75 seconds gain with just a tune You lose again you dick biting moron And will get gaped by anyone who knows what they’re doing do you know why? Obviously, like others have noted, clutchcalibration needs to be set for the maximum anticipated power level. In this case it is 30psi, As you can imagine, this requires a fairamount of clutch weight to keep rpm at a reasonnable level Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted February 20, 2019 Author Share Posted February 20, 2019 Just now, Rod Johnson said: And will get gaped by anyone who knows what they’re doing do you know why? Obviously, like others have noted, clutchcalibration needs to be set for the maximum anticipated power level. In this case it is 30psi, As you can imagine, this requires a fairamount of clutch weight to keep rpm at a reasonnable level You said no gains .75 seconds is a huge gain You got owned hard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 Just now, f7ben said: You said no gains .75 seconds is a huge gain You got owned hard .75 is pathetic for cranked up boost Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKIQPilot Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, Rod Johnson said: Obviously, like others have noted, clutchcalibration needs to be set for the maximum anticipated power level. In this case it is 30psi, As you can imagine, this requires a fairamount of clutch weight to keep rpm at a reasonnable level what you copied from him backed us up Let me see if I can help you understand what Ben is saying. On a typical mountain sled you want to clutch for the altitude you will be playing at most that day. Say that's 8000' and you clutch it light for 8000' because you have about 20% less HP at 8000' than you do at 1000'. You clutched light and made max power at 8300 RPM. As you get back down from elevation you're making more HP and your clutching is too light allowing the engine to over rev. To compensate you back off the timing and reduce the RPM and HP. Same clutching, reduced RPM, similar or slightly more HP with reduced timing. A centrifugal clutch responds solely to RPM. An engine making 150HP at 8000rpm could surely use the same clutching to a similar motor making 250HP at 9000rpm. This is basic tuning. Is the clutching perfect on both sleds, No but its close enough for the average guy out playing on the lake or on the trails. Perfect clutching is a fairy tale. There are tradeoffs across the entire temperature and altitude range unless you're boosted. Ben is correct about this. It's fairly easy to see for most people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted February 20, 2019 Author Share Posted February 20, 2019 Just now, Rod Johnson said: .75 is pathetic for cranked up boost Its was 25 hp you stupid bitch.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 Just now, f7ben said: Its was 25 hp you stupid bitch.... That’s even worse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted February 20, 2019 Author Share Posted February 20, 2019 Just now, AKIQPilot said: Let me see if I can help you understand what Ben is saying. On a typical mountain sled you want to clutch for the altitude you will be playing at most that day. Say that's 8000' and you clutch it light for 8000' because you have about 20% less HP at 8000' than you do at 1000'. You clutched light and made max power at 8300 RPM. As you get back down from elevation you're making more HP and your clutching is too light allowing the engine to over rev. To compensate you back off the timing and reduce the RPM and HP. Same clutching, reduced RPM, similar or slightly more HP with reduced timing. A centrifugal clutch responds solely to RPM. An engine making 150HP at 8000rpm could surely use the same clutching to a similar motor making 250HP at 9000rpm. This is basic tuning. Is the clutching perfect on both sleds, No but its close enough for the average guy out playing on the lake or on the trails. Perfect clutching is a fairy tale. There are tradeoffs across the entire temperature and altitude range unless you're boosted. Ben is correct about this. It's fairly easy to see for most people. It can work to far greater extremes than that as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 1 minute ago, AKIQPilot said: Let me see if I can help you understand what Ben is saying. On a typical mountain sled you want to clutch for the altitude you will be playing at most that day. Say that's 8000' and you clutch it light for 8000' because you have about 20% less HP at 8000' than you do at 1000'. You clutched light and made max power at 8300 RPM. As you get back down from elevation you're making more HP and your clutching is too light allowing the engine to over rev. To compensate you back off the timing and reduce the RPM and HP. Same clutching, reduced RPM, similar or slightly more HP with reduced timing. A centrifugal clutch responds solely to RPM. An engine making 150HP at 8000rpm could surely use the same clutching to a similar motor making 250HP at 9000rpm. This is basic tuning. Is the clutching perfect on both sleds, No but its close enough for the average guy out playing on the lake or on the trails. Perfect clutching is a fairy tale. There are tradeoffs across the entire temperature and altitude range unless you're boosted. Ben is correct about this. It's fairly easy to see for most people. Yes it will drive we’ve covered that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted February 20, 2019 Author Share Posted February 20, 2019 Just now, Rod Johnson said: Yes it will drive we’ve covered that Just kill yourself.....you look so retarded Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKIQPilot Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 Just now, Rod Johnson said: Yes it will drive we’ve covered that As I mentioned before. You don't own and have never ridden a sled that was clutched perfectly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 Just now, f7ben said: Just kill yourself.....you look so retarded I’m not the one who copy and pasted this which backs everyone up and you keep ignoring it Obviously, like others have noted, clutchcalibration needs to be set for the maximum anticipated power level. In this case it is 30psi, As you can imagine, this requires a fairamount of clutch weight to keep rpm at a reasonnable level Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 Just now, AKIQPilot said: As I mentioned before. You don't own and have never ridden a sled that was clutched perfectly. Neither have you for that matter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKIQPilot Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 Just now, Rod Johnson said: Neither have you for that matter Absolutely true but I'm not the one here referencing perfect clutching as the only way to make a sled go good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted February 20, 2019 Author Share Posted February 20, 2019 Just now, AKIQPilot said: Absolutely true but I'm not the one here referencing perfect clutching as the only way to make a sled go good. Hes dumber than Dave.....at least Dave knew when to cut bait Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 Just now, AKIQPilot said: Absolutely true but I'm not the one here referencing perfect clutching as the only way to make a sled go good. I’m not sure I used the word perfect however Stock clutching with an added 180 hp is most certainly quite imperfect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 Just now, f7ben said: Hes dumber than Dave.....at least Dave knew when to cut bait Well I’m right so... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, Rod Johnson said: Neither have you for that matter Im really surprised Tom is taking Bens side on this. Dont ever pm me text me or call me again got dammit Tom!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 Just now, DAVE said: Im really surprised Tom is taking Bens side on this. Dont ever pm me text me or call me again got dammit Tom!!!!!!! I think he feels bad for him lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 Just now, f7ben said: Hes dumber than Dave.....at least Dave knew when to cut bait I still agree with Tyler and everyone else....who disagrees with you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 Just now, DAVE said: I still agree with Tyler and everyone else....who disagrees with you. He’s resorted to patting himself on the back because it will drive with Stock clutching Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beavis and Butt-Head Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 just caught up reading all of this clutching shit.. yeah I would say f7ben is right. same helix angle , same weight, etc on 100 HP versus 200 HP machines and it would work just fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted February 20, 2019 Author Share Posted February 20, 2019 6 minutes ago, Rod Johnson said: I’m not sure I used the word perfect however Stock clutching with an added 180 hp is most certainly quite imperfect Nope...but stock clutching on some machines with 80hp added can work quite well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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