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they've basically all said it's different (more lively) than the Procross. I truly hope it's not fragile or a recall disaster... or the 2012 Procross all over again. I'll say this... between my brothers 21 RXC and my 2010 SP's... I have more fun on the SnoPro. The RXC isn't a bad sled by any means, it's just more sterile if that makes sense. Many Cat riders left Cat because they found the other brands offerings to be more fun and different than what Cat had been selling for a decade. Good news for Procross lovers... Cat is still selling them for 2024, in green or blue.

I have unlimited access to a 6000 RXC Procross... and would like to try the VR1 💡

but you're going to love the Catalyst....?

how can you say that without having ridden a Polaris or SkiDoo from the past decade? I REALLY look forward to seeing which you prefer...

and you know this from... riding them? buddy had an Axys Assault, it trail rode amazingly well and it's primary function isn't as a groomed trail sled. IDK how you're going to deal with this new chassis they didn't need because the Procross was flawless, last year according to some.

ALL-NEW 129-INCH SLIDE-ACTION REAR SUSPENSION (ZR) This next generation SLIDE-ACTION suspension design dials up the fun factor at any winter playground! Lightweight, playful and robust, this uncoupled suspension utilizes the long front arm from ZR race models and is designed to transfer weight – Due to the perfect balance of the CATALYST platform, the ride becomes fully influenced by the rider’s position – Rip a windblown ditch line with confidence, rail a trail corner by leaning forward and shift your weight rearward to loft the skis exiting it. A 3-wheel rear axle is standard and available with choice of IFP gas shocks or ATAC adjust on-the-fly packages https://www.arcticinsider.com/inside-look-2024-arctic-cat-snowmobiles-catalyst-suspensions/ Sounds like what Polaris has been saying for a while....

if you want to learn about actual market share and BRPs plan.,.

I'm not hung up on colors, gizmos, widgets or gadgets and work in an OEM setting so I understand much of it for production. Being that Cat is focusing on weight savings, why not make e-start an option? Pretty simple really. I forget how much weight it was but Mnstang removed all the e-start components from his high country and it was a significant amount of lbs. Polaris models that are quoted with weights don't come with e-start unless it's standard. Nice marketing trick unless you know about it. BRP offers a 1.25 & 1.5 ice track, Polaris offers one... for trail sleds. This concept doesn't seem overly complicated to me for AC to offer their customers and they can charge more for it. I have a Camso Ice Attak XT on my 720 and for trail riding actually like it more than I thought I would. Those little pins aren't studs but do a great job on ice and for loading into the trailer when the rubber mat is slick. Holy balls on the bumpers, bags and optional running boards pricing, that's creeping into SkiDoo territory.

e-start comes on everything but the RXC if you tick the box, why force it on people? another omission... no 'ice' tracks offered whatsoever, which Polaris & BRP do as not all want studs sure, studs work better the vast majority of the time, but why not offer one for trail sleds when the competition does and they all use the same track supplier?

couple interesting (to me) tidbits in the spec sheets... gearing - Lyst ZR's 30/58 - Lyst Riot 27/60 - Lyst M 24/63 but idk how this compares to chaincase #'s ski stance - Lyst ZR's 41.25"-42.25"w vs ProCross ZR 42"-43" or Lyst Riot 38-40" vs ProCross Riot 41.5-43.5" front travel - Lyst ZR's 8.2" / Lyst Riot 7.5" vs ProCross ZR & Riot 9" (Lyst has no rear travel listed but shows 13.5 on the R-XC) ProCross ZR & Riot 13.5" Riot clutching/gearing in the ZR might be mildly amusing on the low end... so, they narrowed up the front end a touch and gave up a bit of travel... wonder why?

my initial post was a joke ya doofus... I'll never sell that sled. my heirs can if they want to. how much was that stick of dynamite again when you bought it? did you even ride it this year?

how much did you pay for that $9K new TNT 850 with base level shocks again? you do know I have two 500's right? and one isn't just some run of the mill 500...

the shocks are probably worth more than your entire sled

anyone want to buy a $20K Sno Pro 500 ?

at least they put ohlins on this one...

LOTS of Procross models for 2024 Kinda like the 129 Catalyst and mid height windshield... But, what shocks can we replace the IFPs with for less than $4k though

Those are my favorite ones... utter morons.

this and incidents like this are why I absolutely refuse to ride 'up north' and around here generally lead. 10-12' wide trail and most of the tracks are right down the middle. inexperienced riders are just as bad as experienced racer wanna be's. the hand signals have also gotten out of hand. on Sunday in the middle of a f'ng cornfield I had a group of four swerving and weaving trying to do hand signals and I could see the entire f'ng group. keep your f'ng hands on the gdamn bars and your machine in control please. sadly there's no IQ requirements to participate in this sport.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/607937096061503/permalink/2100476800140851/?sfnsn=mo&ref=share&mibextid=KtfwRi If you don't see this as a problem you may be part of the problem. 😡

Yammer blue looks killer on the snow.

i've had to limit myself to twice a week for that group... but, maybe I'll eventually offend someone enough to get kicked out of another group. maybe the Catalyst group needs a well placed HALP!!!! suicide post