Boonbocker1

I think what's partially killing them is morons like Jim not Gym ramstad not ramstud. Who wants to buy a sled risking running into Jim's type in public and having them try to start a conversation with you based on owning the same brand sled? For me as a customer I'd be fucking embarrassed knowing I paid with my own money for a sled of the same brand ramstad owns and the association that goes along with it. Its bad enough I am on the same sled forum as him, not sure I could handle him thinking were buddies based on our sled brand

If you can't "buy" arctic cat then what argo is and has been doing is probably the next smartest thing for them. Cherry pick their talent, move into their backyard, work a deal with yamaha, etc

Cat won't come with their new chassis until doos patent expires on the pyramidal design. Yammi said fuck that so will go to argo to co develop a sled.

The building Argo occupies in TRF is merely there for ex Arctic employees that have ties to the area but are fed up with, overworked, underpaid and under appreciated by cat. It was a great move by argo and yammi, get the knowledge and talent from ex cat employess without paying the price to buy the whole company. The ex cat employees don't have to relocate to another city, state or country this way.

Its near the main argo factory. Its the new partnership for yamaha. Argos gets to use yammi powerplants in their bathtubs with wheels and the joint venture between the 2 will produce sleds. Yammi is more serious about sledding than textron is so the partnership will dissolve and will allow yammi to pursue more market share in sleds with an Argo partnership

Its hard to imagine textron doing much with ACAT that is exciting, they are a play it safe conglomerate. I want to see cat succeed but seeing all the good minds either retire, quit or get fired and seeing blind fanboys like ramstad perfectly content with cat where they are its really hard to picture them doing much in the foreseeable future. Will they continue making the same mouse trap as long as morons like ramstad keep buying and defending them with their wallet, or will they try to gain old customers back and pick up a few new ones?

So they have endless mfg capacities? They can build endless amount of sleds/yr? Pull your head out, take a deep breath and re read my statements!

Regardless of what they did or can do they have a capacity constraint. They balance that among the dirt product, yammi product and now doo product. You are so color blind you can't even see reason in anything you see as negative towards cat.

Cat only has mfg capacity to build xx # of units/yr. They are awaiting final confirmation from doo(120s and 200s) and yammi what number of units they need built. They'll take those numbers and subtract that from their capacity and that will determine how many units will go to cat customers and dealers

They need the extra time to allow for BRP and yamaha to communicate how many sleds cat will build for them. Once those details are finalized Cat can determine what capacity they have and can determine to what quantity they can build for there dealers and customers.

Like the pro cross

Heard a rumor cat is actively reading ramstads posts on here and based off his positive sentiments they have made the decision to not release any 2023s and instead will keep building 2022s

I'll take the bait. Does EPA dyno these or are they manufacturer provided #'s? By all accounts the new polaris boost absolutly rips and the feedback I've heard is that its a step above the doo turbo power wise which would make sense with the doo now upping power for MY23. Maybe polaris is more efficient getting the power to the ground?

Aren't there atvs just rebranded kymcos? Just like all of cats current lineup 500cc and less?

Except ramstad said in another thread a week or so ago cat can only build half the sleds a day that they could a few yrs ago and they are looking to hire 500 more workers in order to get back to that capacity. He also said since cat can't sell that many sleds to their own dealers its good they now make sleds for doo to help keep the plant running

I feel bad for old Jim. His situation here is similar to biden. Totally clueless, thinks he knows what's what, has no idea he's an idiot and or has dementia, talks out if his ass and actually thinks he has validity. Very sad deal, his family/friends should intervene.

Cat needs to just update the marketing material from the 2012 launch a bit, send it via USPS to the few hundred loyal customers and handful of dealers they have, then sit back and collect cash like nobodys business. They could pre print stacks of order forms to have on hand at the dealerships too for the ultimate experience in pre order ease.

If they do that and maybe a trick tunnel solution with accessories like linq or lock and ride flex its game over for doo.

Cat must be laughing their asses off about now. With the mediocre at best product launch poo and doo just had, cat won't even need to do anything other than build last years sleds and they will be pulling new buyers from those other 2 brands.

He'll think his vat branded Garmin is the best until cat comes out with a new gauge to compete with doo/pool's then all he'll talk about is how better it is, blah, blah, blah. There's brand loyal but ramstad takes it to a new level. They could produce a literal bag of shit and he'd order 3 then tell everyone it's worth the wait to get his because they fit his exact needs and desires.

Textron bought weber and used a variation of that engine in the stampede and havoc sxs's which have since died off. Maybe we will see another variation of it come back in a cat sled or sxs in the future?

Swissauto and weber are 2 different companies. https://www.swissauto.com/e/motor/projekt_detail.jsp?ID_Display=20000G

Except textron bought weber and a variation of that engine found its way into the stampede and havoc sxs's. The motor was designed in conjunction with polaris for use in their watercraft. Never was in a car.

Bolting shocks or other small items on isn't rocket science bud. I'd trust alot of 16yr olds that have enough interest in powersports to go get a job at a dealership over many many 20,30 and 40 something yr olds that are just at a job to pay their bills.