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Exactly- and the cleats can act like ice skates..... Rubber tracks are much more comfortable. It is a blast grooming all night, seeing wildlife, having the tunes cranked up, and creating a perfect trail surface......

I can't do those FB groups. My head explodes every time I try to. Any moron can post anything regardless of whether they know anything or not. There is so much bad information passed, and so many uneducated snowmobilers, that I simply can't do it.

Still on a Poo VR-1. It's frankly been a great sled. I will re-evaluate once Cat has a season on the 858 and the new Garmin display.

Since Yamaha went main stream with the RX-1 twenty years ago, we've had and will continue to have the same debate. It is tough for me to be objective. I've only owned one 4 stroke. I bought my wife a Cat ZR 3000 in 2017......and she'll never let me forget it. I ended up riding that steaming pile of shit because she refused to. The S4 is obviously a completely different animal and about 30-40 hp more than the Cat ZR 3000 was.

Yep- then charge $20,000 for it. :-P

I'm still hung up on the S4 being barely 100 hp?? for $14,200 Versus the Indy SP 650 Matryx which is 130+ hp (and has outstanding performance) for at least $1,000 less? We haven't even compared weights.....

Nah- I'm talking the Indy SP 650 in the Matryx chassis versus what was in the Axys (600) chassis. I'd think that you could pick one up in the $12,500 range brand new right now. https://www.polaris.com/en-us/snowmobiles/indy/indy-sp/

I have not ridden an S4- so I am curious just like you are, and would also consider it down the road for my wife. General media feedback is positive- but that is what they get paid to do and praise the products of their advertisers. There seems to be some really good deals (it's all relative) out there right now on the Polaris S4. The same draw backs and benefits exist regardless of what brand 4 stroke it is. Why does he feel that a heavier S4 would be better for her versus something like the Indy SP? The SP should at least be $2000+ cheaper? If she likes the feel of the VR-1, then she probably liked the responsiveness. My thought is that the S4 would be apples & oranges.

More like an asylum......

Wait...... Wait....... Ummmm..... ***EDITED TO PROTECT THE INNOCENT** @Zambroski...... Who the fuck are you? I thought you were dead.....

Careful- I resemble that remark.

The gap between the rider and the Matryx is way too far. I thought the Procross was pretty warm actually on the '12-'17. Less warm on the second gen bodywork just in the way the body work wrapped around and you had wind wrapping around and in to your lap.....

@jonlafon1 Did you get any pics of the messed up windshield? That's amazing.

@jonlafon1 I'm starting to agree with you. Yeah- my initial impression has changed a bit once I saw the windshield comparison.

Lastly- the clearance between the primary and the side body panel is damn tight. Cat has a cool solution to keep the primary from rubbing on the side panel if you tip the sled. There is an aluminum rail that will protect the panel if contact is made.

Found a few things to watch today. This screw was making contact with the harness and needed to be relocated down and away.

I was at Skunk Works today getting some wrench therapy. I got a good look at the various windshield heights. The medium and high have decent width and should provide some decent hand protection. The windshields are not as far ahead of you as on the Matryx, and should provide better protection in the bubble. On the Matryx, the windshield is way too far forward to provide decent protection and your hands remain pretty exposed.

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I'm ok with being called an old man. :-)

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