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11 hours ago, Cwhite138 said:

Dumb fucks just want to circle jerk on what new sled they are buying and what bolt on shit they will need to hold their dildos and other accessories.  

If I wasn't so poor love to make a build thread on something... Its hard to remember to doc stuff too when you get in the zone working on something. I make install instructions for work and it takes 4X as long than just doing the install, just to get the pictures. let alone the write up.  

imo, how to keep them running at Stage 0 is a ton of help to most, then upgrades and minor modifications.  most people today don't know how to open the hood of their car/truck to add washer solvent.  that's apparent to me IRL and on the web.  then there's the idiots giving suggestions of parts to replace to even bigger idiots.  @mnstang ,a few others and I get some really good laughs and also get frustrated by these jackwads on FB ACTR - and I'm sure there are comparable Doo & Poo FaceTooBook pages.  HCS from what I've seen lurking is the same, there's like 14 people left there that have a clue.  anyway, if people here can give solid beta in the brand specific forums - this place has a chance.   

11 hours ago, Zambroski said:

HCS will be another Dootalk soon.

Over the years, like many, I tried to take pics and document some fixes, fabrications or mods I’ve made.  There’s a lot of us that still do and share all this info with one another.  Unfortunately, most getting into motorsports now just think their $15k sled and maintenance done at the dealer will be their their thang...and it will be.

troubled waters ahead man, we have multiple generations in which most lack the common sense to change a light bulb or turn off a leaking toilet at the tank.  it's a society 'we' have created.

10 hours ago, Bontz said:

It took way longer than we were told, but those who said VS would ultimately ruin HCS were correct.  I don't know how many years it's been since ODS Dan sold it, but I'm guessing the better part of 10-12?  Anyway, I just don't see guys from HCS abandoning ship and joining FS ... even if we start getting the non-bashing / sled specific stuff going.  I hope I'm wrong!  But I really think it's one of those "change sucks" deals and people feeling comfortable over there.  And let's be honest, there's STILL some good content over there - ya just gotta search for it.

There's plenty of Homers over there ... from Ramstad to Patriotic Phil.  As much as I'd enjoy seeing them show up on FS, I really don't care if they do.

and there's some folks here that missed it so much they created dupe accounts.  miright? 

7 hours ago, Zambroski said:

Well, this was just a bit more than changing the format a "smidge".  We know exactly what it was and is.  FIne.  Another liberal take down of "mean speech" and those that won't enforce their censorship models.  Fine.  It's their site, they can run it how they want.  I don't miss it even a little.  

Yeah, but those 19 hours of "well maintained" vary from team to team tremendously.  Some of these racers are just plain clapped the fuck out.  Hell, when some of the other teams identify somebody else's barn as "zip tie/duct tape central", well......

There are a few around here that'll do some work at better rates than dealers and do one hell of a job.  But yeah, I can't imagine explaining prices to somebody on what it takes to do some of this stuff.  They think because it's 'just a toy" that it shouldn't take much or cost much compared to a motor vehicle.  I mean....learn to do some stuff yourself or accept the fact that you are going to pay $100/ hr plus parts to a dealer or shop to do it.

I do the vast majority of my own work but when I burned down the 720 I got ahold of a young guy I used to work with that is the polar opposite of most twenty somethings today and hauled it out to his heated shop to tear it down with him where it sat for months waiting to get the custom parts back.  when he gave me a price for his work I told him that it wasn't enough and suggested that he shouldn't be afraid to charge more for his time and skills, then handed him a stack of bills which exceeded what he asked for.  worth every penny to me and hopefully in the future if he continues working on sleds, bikes, atv's and shit of this nature on the side he's not afraid to ask to be paid for his skills and can turn away idiots who want something for nothing... including me.  honestly, this young man can probably go work anyplace he wants as his fab skills are top notch and he won't cut corners... a complete rarity in this world right now.

4 hours ago, Tommcat said:

i'll turn away customers here and there, but it has nothing to do with the sled, it's 100% the person that gets the boot.

we take in a lot of pretty old stuff and as long as the customer realizes that it isnt going to be 50 bucks to replace their 30 year old fuel system, we take them in.
 

rightfully so, some customers need to get fired before they even walk in the door.  your skills, time and talent shouldn't be 'cheap' unless the quality of your work is.  what's amazing is that most folks will never gripe about a plumbing or heating repair bill but when it comes to their cars/trucks/toys some will they act liked they are being robbed at gun point.  at times it's fun pointing out to customers that for the $110-140 we charge in places I've worked that unlike a plumber with a van and canvas bag, or an electrican with a van and canvas bag who isn't afraid to charge similar rates that in the vehicle repair industry the technology we deal with changes with frequency, that the specialized tools, diagnostic equipment shop and overhead don't even come close to comparison and that our industry it's not as simple as shit runs down hill, red is hot or 'hot', blue is cold, black is ground and what we repair for them will be obsolete in three to five years and we get to purchase all the same tools and equipment again.  

good lord, I could keep going and better stop.  in closing, most people today are fucking idiots.

On 3/14/2021 at 8:24 PM, Bontz said:

We had MAYBE a month that our groomer operated this season (Southeast MN) and I'd say almost half of those treks were on marginal snow to begin with.  What a waste.  We decided at last week's meeting we're gonna hold off our trail cleanup/sign removal until 3/27, just to give the fields some time to dry up a bit before we try to run the wheelers through to pull signs.  If any of our land owners wants us out sooner, they know we'll be there to make it happen.

the irony is my riding friend from Madison had a better local riding season than we did in north central Wisco - by a long shot.  I rode once around Madison, three trips here and once up by Boulder Junction.  pretty pathetic but glad I didn't drop $13-15K for a new sled for those slim miles.    

7 hours ago, teamgreen02 said:

@fortune46x any idea what the track going to look like?  I would think some sort of oval like Deadwood was.  Not sure if there is room for a modified oval, maybe?

Would be sweet if they used the banked turns.

unsure, they've had amatuerish SX races during derby week there utilizing the infield but there was (from recollection) light poles and shit that might not work for an ISOC event.  would be interesting to see them incorporate the mildly banked corners into the race but with sleds flying in the air I would speculate they will keep racers a good distance from the 'boards'.  @fortune46x might be able to report once he arrives on site.

7 hours ago, Zambroski said:

That's miserable for sled racing.  For years, we all wished ISOC would push the opening back a couple of weeks instead of sticking with thanksgiving weekend.  It comes down to a week-10 days a lot of times to see if snow can even be made.  Snirt racing sucks.

the track at ERX actually had a f'load of snow because they must have snow-gunned the hell out of that track well in advance of it being relocated from Canterbury.  everything outside the track itself was a f'ing mud pit.  was funny when Greg and I were bs'ing with Alex watching riders and mechanics drive through or around the 'pond' under the bridge.  some of the 120 parents were picking the sleds up and riding the rim under the bridge.  this has been an abnormal winter for temps and snow, not sure why they took NY & Geneva off the schedule, then killed of SD but the next two events are in Eagle River and it's supposed to be in the 50's this weekend, we'll probably be wearing shorts and muck boots and watching them race on wet wood chips on the 26-28th if these temps keep going up.

snowmobiling...

1 hour ago, mnstang said:

I know what you're saying with the blast vs 4000, but you cannot compare new to used.  I mean, you can, for yourself, but it's not a valid or fair comparison and you could do that for every single used sled out there and you'd never buy new.  A 4000 is 5-6 years old.. you can not compare that to anything brand new.  New things cost more for a reason.

And yeah I wouldn't touch anyone's mod shit project.  I only buy stock unmolested shit whether used or new.

Also, I'm sure they will still be offering an r xc, it may not be out yet but I'm sure at some point details will come out

the 2015/2016 RR 4000 isn't a huge departure from the 2022 models because... Procross

big concern I have with possibly buying a Procross is that I've read the hood is nearly impossible to get off.

9 minutes ago, Crotch Lickmeoff said:

I.would still rather have an upright rider forward sled. My back and knees are fucked from intermediate motox

I for one would never suggest altering the riding position away from modern sleds, but surely they can sit a bit lower to focus on better handling/cornering and still maintain far far far better suspension travel and compliance than the old ass draggers.  Cataha and Doo have done it, maybe an RXL is next?

15 minutes ago, SayatodaU.P.eh? said:

Not sure, TBH. Put a lot of time and effort into a forum for a lot of years now. I'm kind of enjoying just being on cruise control. 

I hear that.  just looking for thoughts and input from some of the former mods which are almost all here on how to improve this place, so there is a 'forum' that's not run by VS or a douche.

1 hour ago, Tommcat said:

I asked for a dislike button on hcs about a hundred times. That would genuinely be worth something imo

I tried disliking your post, didn't work. 

18 minutes ago, Icecube said:

This sport attracts the COOL Factor... most want to be the coolest and the fastest, they want to be part of the coolest group that has all the info on new stuff before it’s mainstream... oh ya, and they want to own the coolest brand and sled of the year all the time.

I will say to you all honesty... you guys know your shit, and you have great characters, the sight structure has all the foundation to be all of and more than HCS.

I came here out of curiosity and to be totally honest, engage with the toughest smack talkers for my personal assistance... @oldslowsleddercan vouch for me on that.

Smack talk is cool, it’s fun, it can be super funny... unfortunately it can quickly turn into a shit show, and be distinctive to the member community if not managed well.

The sight if it can find some balance, it needs to have someone to come in and cool off the situation, humour works best I find personally. Corner can do that well with videos.

No one wants to hold anyone’s hand, but Super8 has a way of making people feel welcome, using PM to do that works well.

HCS forum here needs to be the place to be, because the Greatest Sled Heads are here... Call it HCS Extreme or something? HCS-XXX 

Taking a real leap with his post!

Cheers!🍺

Cube

🐸🧤

2 minutes ago, Zambroski said:

There was a thread started a while back about tech stuff...I think by @f7benthat I’d probably renew.

I’m not 100% what I’ll have yet but, it’s a good bet it’ll be another SXer. Most likely a 2021 AC.  I just don’t know what I’m gonna do yet but I’ll be building something for next year for sure.

Yeah, mean words are life altering stigmas for many now.  You should have seen some of the reported posts toward the end.  OMG. Just hurt feelings over somebody’s alternate opinion or objection.  Clowns.  

so we'll need a pansy disclaimer, in the event someone is being a thin skinned pansy the accused offender might get a warning and the pansy gets immediately banned. 

3 minutes ago, Tommcat said:

The singular problem, is that it became "mean" to call out the people that were just committing technically vomit for being the bullshit artists they are.

Then you end up with people being allowed to just copy and paste a bunch of big words, which to someone who admittedly doesn't know much, looks like solid info.

And you also had vendors being allowed to blatantly lie to people, because they paid to.

Eventually the real tech guys say fuck it, and leave.

sounds as though some sort of rules might be necessary.  also, maybe it's time to cut the feel good "like' shit on a site (like this one) and give people the option to thumbs down or shit on a posters thread.  maybe Facebook with 'no dislikes' has ruined the internet more than I thought?  not to be a dick but look at our options here right now... 'Like, Sad(?), Confused(?), HaHa & Thanks' - where's the Bullshit, You Idiot or DISLIKE options?

1 minute ago, Tommcat said:

Agreed. I hesitate to post sometimes so i dont come across like a td ben douche, bragging about myself 

if you are providing potentially valued information and insight - that's not bragging. 

being a self righteous braggadocious douche... well, maybe that needs a special button too? 

400 something - less than stellar.  last winter I was averaging that every week locally.

2 minutes ago, Zambroski said:

Adding rules to brand specific threads was the first good step in this.  There’s actually some pretty good techs here too. I think most here that are sled proficient just want to have a good time and don’t need a lot of tech help. 

no shit, there's actually some knowledgeable, handy mf'ers here happy to to talk politics and current events, but that seems about it.  that said, are you planning to do a SX trail friendly build thread, if and when your wife allows you to get another sled and you return to an amicable climate to safely ride it through a Culvers parking lot?  

17 minutes ago, Zambroski said:

It really hasn’t. HCS slowly seemed like it’s become a cry magnet for a lot of inexperienced sledders over the past couple of years or, new members just looking for a quick solution then, they vanish.  Personally, I’m tired of regurgitating basic sled shit that is covered in the owners manual to people that only own a household kitchen tool kit.  I’ve actually seen a lot of “advice” just basically telling the person asking for help to find a closer/better/cheaper/second opinion from a dealer.  I just smile....and move on.  

when I was getting back into sleds, I spent a shitload of time looking at numerous forums for sled info and technical info... Arctic Chat was obviously dying but HCS seemed like a fantastic source of knowledge and experience regarding what I was interested in.   fast forward to right now, it's a hollow shell of what it was even a few years ago.  I still stop by and look at the PCross and -2012 SP forums, can't see the GDF because Joe Pisscunt has blocked it from public view and just shake my head.  Ramstad is still entertaining though, that's brand blind loyalty at it's finest on full display. 

anywhoo, how do you feel this place can grow moving forward?

11 minutes ago, SayatodaU.P.eh? said:

I think most people left at HCS have no real want to come over here. Are there really that many brand specific only convos going on over there? 

idk Nick, frankly from my pov the best and most active 'conversations' there were in the GDF - the GF was like kindergarten and the brand specific forums held actual concerns/discussions and bitch sessions.  heck, most of us that have gotten the PitCunt/JoeHomo boot have had more topics here than in the brand specific forums or General Discussion forum.  honestly, I think most of us here are turned off by the FB group malarkey, so how do you feel this place can become something special and unique?  also, for as much crap as many of us gave you guys which were moderators there you all did a fantastic job keeping shit where it belonged and keeping things in line.  

2 minutes ago, Tommcat said:

I'd kill for some real tech talk, but that hasn't even existed on hcs for quite awhile 

as I see things in the forum world it's up to people like you and others here with more than a spoonful of brains to start and stimulate those threads Tom.  if we're all just sitting around waiting for someone to come here and post some amazing new information, or tech talk thread, then this too will go nowhere fast.  you're a Zuke turbo guy, post some of the things here you might post on FacewasteofTime and see how it goes.  a forum is only as good as it's contributors, and if we can keep @Zambroski sober and in line on a Friday night then possibly this place has a chance.   idk... just airing some thoughts out.   

how can we 'the banned' build up the brand and state forums here to steal away more folks from HCS who are becoming disgruntled?  there's seems to only be a few regular contributors here but the migrated core of HCS seems to be alive and strong.  idk honestly, but am willing to try.

the one thing HCS doesn't have @ckf is a Lynx specific page, so maybe that could do it? 

riding season seems clearly over and as a 'shareholder' I want to see this place be fun, what HCS used to be back in the dark ages and actually grow next winter.

2 minutes ago, Sled_Hed said:

Geez all she wants is a vacation away,  no need to get rid of her

no, the 'Hoe' is my old Tahoe, runs great but the idiotic Wisco Road Salt crew makes me want to replace it.  

18 hours ago, teamgreen02 said:

Definitely would recommend the Mucks.  We were there for the swap last fall and the place was a swamp. 

Eagle River is a haul for me so I'll watch it from the comfort of my couch.

plan to wear the boots this time, the shoe type nearly got sucked off my feet in the mud soup multiple times last weekend walking to/from the parking lot at ERX

on the bright side, I've been in MN once for 2021 so I'm good to go until 2022 

On 3/14/2021 at 3:30 PM, Zambroski said:

Well, kinda.  Mine are SX.  Please let faster riders pass safely.  Thank you.

 

:

Zandstra put one on the market last night, has your name all over it... womens class and he can get Culver's decals printed.

11 hours ago, mnstang said:

This was a great winter if you crybabies went outside you would have seen that

here, meh.  once we got local snow I rode a few times in temps well below my comfort zone.  

2 hours ago, mnstang said:

There's an RS for sale in WI on craigslist.  #300 of 300.

I can't even look, daughter wants a hot tub, wife wants a vacation away from the Vid and I need to replace my old Hoe.

300 of 300 you say...

On 3/8/2021 at 7:37 PM, mnstang said:

Make fun all you want.  I've rode them all all and I had a shit load of fun and enjoyment with my old fanners this year, couldn't be happier with my sled situation.  And the Z will still gap your snopros don't worry

come prove it, there may be a few bumps though.   

21 hours ago, mnstang said:

Ok well my inbox has been blowing up with requests to give a prowler chassis update so I will oblige but there's not a whole lot new.

Finally took a weekend off with no riding and I am probably done for the year.  I cleaned up some of the sleds pretty good this weekend.

The puma, being I got it mid season and was balls deep in other projects all I did to rear suspension was grease everything and check wheels, slides and a basic visual.  I noticed the track seemed real tight but whatever.  This weekend I was hosing it off with it in air running and man the track would stop real fast when you get off the throttle.  Amazing how much that track being too tight can affect that.  You couldn't turn it by hand at all.  After loosening it rolls almost effortless with one hand.  That should improve take off quite a bit and it felt a little notchy taking off before so hopefully it's butter smooth now and effortless.  

The puma is geared down compared to a jag, which is nice for utility duties.  But I looked into the bearcat 340 and those are geared down even more.  Not sure I want to do that, for now it pulls the wood I've hooked up rather easy.  And it's nice to not be geared super low, still like to open it up sometimes.

Put the black wheels from the puma on the Z, I like the look better it looks more racey and clean.  I did a quicky black spray job on the gray wheels and put them on the puma, it looks pretty good too!   Got some oem Suzuki pistons for the Z I'll be putting in sometime probably preseason next year but I wanted to check squish before so maybe I could cut the heads at same time, but the squish was already at the small end of spec, .055".  I may bump up the timing though, I did to the 96 jag during rebuild and I don't know if it's from that alone but it runs like a raped ape for what it is.

Kind of in list making mode for everything I'd like to acquire, there's so much.  Debating removing the reflectors from the Z.  I'm undecided on that one.  Picked up a NOS Cat upgrade/accessory ryde fx rear shock for the Z, from Thomas.  Thinking of some front end work for next year, either get custom shocks built or get new cat ones I think they're available.  The front end is clean but it could pop a little with a couple things.  If I stay stock shocks I'm thinking of painting the springs purple.

I forgot how fun it is to have little fun garage projects.  Got burned out on it many years ago with cars, but it's nice with these because it's all relatively pretty inexpensive.  I'm still way ahead on the puma.  Just winding down the season now and getting everything situated for December before I start the dirt season.

 

you certainly seem entertained with these, and I get it.  has been fun interacting over the winter with about an unappreciated sled many have forgotten.  did you ever check with Mike Carver to find out what the new 'built to fit' shocks cost?  on a completely separate note... what other skids from newer sleds might fit in the existing holes?  looking at the rail and mounting holes it blindly looks like the chassis mounting points might accept a vast variety of skids and arm pressure point configurations.  for some reason I bet you could slam the Z to the ground and with good shocks and springs... possibly even better?

what's the story on the Merc?  I have an old 'tweaked' Volvo for some odd reason can't seem to part with.

21 hours ago, mnstang said:

Times change, everything is more expensive now.  The blast also has estart (puke) and reverse standard.  But yeah, those 4000rr's were killer and for 5800 brand new, what a deal.  They had good shocks all around and the real team clutches and I think the race skid, they were a race sled, unlike all the other RR's.  The irony is that the guys that think 85hp 500 isn't enough, are the slow riders.  I still like the blast concept, but I am a bit soured by some of the reports of engine issues.  A one year warranty always used to be fine with cats, I've never needed it.  But now hearing about engine stuff and a one year warranty, that's not good.  That's one thing with the 500 zuke.. you NEVER had to worry about the motor.  But to be fair the zr blast is not 9k like you said it's like 7700.  I still think it's very fair.  Cutting off one cylinder doesn't really save a ton of money.   You save a jug, piston, injector, head, spark plug.. and people think it should be half the price of an 800 sled.  But yeah I'd take a new 4000RR over one, fuck yeah bud.

As I said in another post somewhere, I think the big downward turn for cat was when they split with Suzuki.  Not because the ctec is bad, but I think they are just spread too thin now.  They never had to worry about motors before, that was COVERED, so they could just focus on the chassis.  Now they're spread too thin.  There is such a thing as being too busy and too much going on for their size/resources and I think we're seeing it right now.  It's like they can't dedicate any resources to the ZR trail sleds, they're tied up with other stuff apparently..

 

sure - everything is, but if you have a keen sense of value and realistic expectations (imo) a used ZR 4000 RR 'right now' is still a far better value and bang for the buck than a B-Last in any trim.  my opinion of the B-Last is likely a bit soured likely because frankly they've yet to produce a model I'd care to pay for and Catextron has seemingly been abandoning the 600 market since they took the reigns, which I have a difficult time wrapping my head around as it's the most trustworthy, consistent engine in their entire stable.  not to beat a dead horse (here goes) why not have a 600 Blast trail sled, or still offer a 129" 600 trail sled other than the RR or a base model Riot?  frankly I feel it's downright idiotic on their part and it's apparent to me there are no longer enthusiasts running Arctic Cat.  bean counters and suits living in Augusta Georgia, more happy to cash a paycheck than go riding in inclimite weather.

but, getting back on topic I can't think of more than a handful of times on the type of trails I typically ride where a Sno Pro or (since we've expanded the conversation) a ZR 4000 RR is less than adequate.  getting back to the initial discussion I'd like to find a pair of Zero Pro X front shocks and someone I'm comfortable sending my jugs to for a trail porting job before next winter.       

20 hours ago, hayward said:

I'm actually looking at one now with an f7 transplant....

I promise after that, i'll quit.  I swear.

good god man, to be blunt - most of the F7 conversions to be frank are complete cobbled piles of shit and very few things work properly that you've become accustomed to.  Frankensleds.  one reason I wasn't afraid of the 720 was the fact that most of everything revolving around the engine was stock - no wiring issues, the gauge works properly, no carbs or nonsense to deal with.  given the same $ I'd buy a 2010/2011 XC race sled that hasn't been fucked up first... eight days of the week.  I know for a fact what Greg B. had into his to do his F7 conversion properly back when they were new including a custom made wiring harness so everything worked and the best suspension $ could buy at the time - and it was close to what a new VR1 840 costs.  so my ? is - do you really want to own something some schmuck cobbled together with parts you can no longer get - even used if you are lucky?  when these sleds come up for sale, the vast majority of the time they are piles of shit done by people with no $ who want to ride wheelies and look cool - or as Gene Wilder so eloquently said...

 

3 minutes ago, hayward said:

i'm up to 3 now.  let me know how you make out with your doc and find out if they're taking on new patients.

at least we're not hoarding F7's - there's still hope for us. 

7 hours ago, teamgreen02 said:

Opening ceremonies at 6 PM CST both Friday and Saturday night.  Sure are a lot of Polaris riders in the top 5 of the points this year.  The best Cat is 6th in Pro and Pro Lite.

Schedule:  https://snocross.com/wp-content/uploads/2020-2021_Event_Schedule_07_EAGLE_RIVER_96PPI.pdf

Live Stream:  https://snocross.com/livestream/

this has been an ugly season in SX for Cat

Doo & Poo both have top tier riders, Doo has the best machines and Poo got their fuel injection right.  The best battles imo have been in Pro-Lite, anyone can win and they race hard, and crash harder.

will likely be in ER on Sat. afternoon/evening as it's only 1.5hr ride from home - no idea how much snow they'll be able to make.  it's supposed to be 59 here on Saturday - will be wearing my Muck's. 

40 minutes ago, mnstang said:

Sometimes I still kick myself.. It was spring... 17'? And Heinens was selling brand new 2015 zr4000rr's for 5799.

Fuck, they're still going for that much used and beat after 4-5 years!  I think I had my 500 then so I couldn't justify having another one.  But what a deal.

I hear that man, the nice thing with the RR's was you got the premium shocks in the skid and you can still buy any size windshields you want for them today.  That said, look at what you just said - $9300 & 9600 MSRP/$5800 leftover and they want $9K for a Blast now?   The 500 powered sleds really were a bargain if one could get past the entire '85hp is a kids sled' mentality.  

6 hours ago, mnstang said:

I liked my port job/head cut from fett and they have a nice affordable primary clutch setup to match up with it to reduce your time screwing around and it's very trail friendly.  You may want to call them and ask about it I'm not sure they're still doing it.

They're good solid sleds, nothing wrong with keeping ONE around.

lol - I see what you did there.  honestly if I had the space I'd probably add a 2012 & 2014 to the fleet. 

maybe I have a problem...  

edit: and a 2016 ZR 4000 RR

11 hours ago, Tripleflipper said:

I see a few XCR's in there with maybe your name on it. Would certainly be a monster step up based on what you have now. 

when the Axys XCR came out after nearly a decade of Balers pretty sure I said 'look, Polaris finally made a 2010 Sno Pro!!!'

I was looking hard at leftover XCR 800's last spring and probably would have bought one if I hadn't burned down the 720 and it turned out to be more than pistons and a clean up.  right now if buying a '22 new, I'd likely get an XCR 650 to replace that sled and keep the 500 - because the 650 fits my riding needs and is very comparable in power, ergos and rideability to the decade old 720.  

Cat, there's only the RXC and used if lucky maybe I could find a mint 6000 RS

that said, Polaris has a shitload of leftovers - Cat & Yamaha have a f'load of B-lasts and Venom's, and apparently Doo has some ugly shit no one wanted.

someone is excited about the Mach Z
 

36 minutes ago, Bontz said:

I'm pretty sure the only snowmobile Joe rides is PitGrunt's wang, with some sort of miniature snowmobile stickers on it. 

kind've funny how the vast majority of this goes back to Pit Grunt, yet Joe seems to be getting 72% of the beating.