Art Vandelay

Ok with me but can we switch the sides? Let the left have the east side instead?

I'm not going to defend textron but it looks like he parted ways from textron a couple years ago. https://snowgoer.com/news/arctic-cat-to-argo-pipeline-raises-many-questions/30753/ From that article there's a glimmer of hope that something interesting is going on at argo. Before textron Cat had always had their critics and brand bashers but it's hard to deny they innovated and brought new things to the market and led it in different ways over the years. Hopefully that can get rekindled before it's too late,

That would be a great day.

Getting back to Cat - they achieved 100% market share for sales in the month of April, although they did up the 10% they usually get in March.

Industry-leading April ordering period almost done for Cat. Still about 40 versions of the mountain sleds available.

I think they were hoping to use cat dirt tech to get a fat govt contract out of it like Polaris and get on the government's tit, but when that didn't happen they went for tracker instead.

It makes sense that the next chassis would just get into the ballpark. This was the chassis that should have come out a few years ago. It's been rumored to be in development for so long, and so many of the engineers were sent packing since textron so graciously "saved" the brand, that it may be like the new 800 when it came out - a step up for Cat but late to the game and behind. But given who is calling the shots I'm not expecting too much. Good that there are now reports of people seeing this chassis and riding it instead of just rumors. Still no one is really talking - it's all I know someone who has seen it. Hope textron proves us all wrong.

IN IL WI MI MN WY QC ON Want to get back to QC and WY and also try Maine and Montana.

I think it's not publicly traded. Can't find any info on it. Still hoping the cat guys that ended up there want to something with sleds.

Pretty much everything on this thread is someone's assumption.

Do you just try to pick fights with everyone on here?

Just looked at the cat site. Although the 600s sold out very quickly it seems the 800s are not selling out. They must have had very low availability of 600s for some reason, or just guessed wrong - I assume this is all tied to what parts they ordered months ago and can't easily change that - i.e., order more 600 parts at this point. Strange too the 800s without atac are sold out but those with atac are still available. Since that's an option you'd think they wouldn't stop selling the 800s without atac as long as 800s are still available. I'd assume most who want to order a sled have ordered by now.

Definitely noticed that on cats - 600s and 800s in our group are all nearly the same on gas.

Or was fired by textron.

Kind of figured that. I had seen that Poo at least cut their spring orders way down and they are still engineering new products and trying, so i figured textron would be cutting too.

With all these sleds selling out - do you have any idea on the volumes for this year? Without any info I'd guess they're not making many, at least for pre-order. Surprised the 600s are sold out at that price point, but maybe they are only making 10 of them.

What's weird is they are selling the kids sleds out in hours while making them for doo. If parts are limited why not just make green ones?

It's in the trail section

Thanks. I see the info you put up. Embarrassing for textron. I thought they'd still have some kind of snowmaggedon pricing. At least before they had a pricing advantage. Now you get old tech and pay more. Maybe you all knew that and I'm late in figuring that out. With kids at home I've been buying a 600 every few years to keep the costs down but still have a newer machine to hopefully avoid headaches. You'd really have blinders on to order a cat at these prices.

So 2020 zr 800 limited was $11,500. 2023 basically same thing - $15,500. And now there's nothing "base" available. The sno pro 600 was $10K in 2020, which is enough suspension for anyone buying a 600. Now you're at $14,500 to get into a 600. Are the other 2 brands going up like this too?

Maybe it just doesn't work for me. Ordering was supposed to start today. Not that I'm buying anyway. Edit - now it's working.

The cat website is almost updated for 2023. You could get in, but then the link for 2023 info doesn't work. Textron clown show continues.

Yep, that's something they could offer without spending a penny in engineering costs.

The rattling is just inexcusable. I really have no issues with the gauge - it tells me everything I need to know - gas, odometer, temp, rpm's. And it's just as good on my relative's 18 doo. But the mounting system is ridiculous, even if it was on a 1980 sled, and it rattled from day 1. I thought something was wrong with it but that's how it's supposed to be mounted. Even though i don't care much about the gauge, I will say my 06 fusion 600 had the handlebar controls for the gauge, and it was nice to make changes in view from the handlebars. Sad that that the 06 poo had a better gauge than my 18 cat. Let's hope for a better effort or a new owner in 24.

So is tomorrow the big 2023 reveal? Not that anyone is excited. I keep hoping textron is playing the long game, realizing they'll sell whatever they can make for 2023, and then bringing out something competitive in 2024 when there will be more sleds available and people will have choices. But then I realize we're dealing with textron instead of cat, and there's no signs they're interested, at all. Luckily they have arctic insider doing their marketing for free, since they can't be bothered to maintain a website.