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Really dude. Your going to blame someone here for more deaths. That's fucking bullshit and you know it.

Personally if the state is stockpiling it the citizens deserve to know. I completely agree the sources are weak.

Damn, how quick do I need to reply? My whole concern is not just the part about trying to limit Dr.'s giving it out but if there is any truth to the DoC stockpiling some of which more and better sources are needed. It seems to meet this forum's standards.

Oh so he didn't call it a cure. Just a game changer. I'd hardly call it inconclusive with how NYC is using it and the FDA rushed thru off label uses. Seems to me many countries are using it in pretty significant ways. Doubt that would be done if it was completely inconclusive. God forbid he be hopeful about something.

He actually called it a cure? Do you have a link to that exact quote?

Answer is they likely can't anymore than they can be sure 200K to 2 million American's will die as some other models suggest. Not unlike climate change models are only as good as the data they input. Early models for the nation were built on data from NY, NJ and Conn. Hardly the same as the entire country will see.

That or Remdesivir.

The CDC director said this yesterday. Some of you peoples ability at deciphering opinion from fact is really fucking bad. https://abcnews.go.com/Health/cdc-director-downplays-coronavirus-models-death-toll-lower/story?id=70011918 One of the nation’s top public health officials suggested Monday that because Americans are taking social distancing recommendations “to heart,” the death toll from the novel coronavirus will be “much, much, much lower” than models have projected. “If we just social distance, we will see this virus and this outbreak basically decline, decline, decline. And I think that's what you're seeing,” said Robert Redfield, the Director of the Centers for Disease Control.

If you were struggling with Covid-19 would you request it for you or a loved one? I sure the fuck would.

One thing you have to remember being on a ventilator for a long period is not good. 60-90% die if on too long. NY will see a spike when people come off them. Sadly just the way it is.

If this was as deadly as SARS it would be the end of life as we know it. It could have been and that makes China hiding things so much more dangerous to the world. May 7, 2003 (CIDRAP News) – The World Health Organization (WHO) today estimated the overall fatality rate for SARS (severe acute respiratory syndrome) patients at 14% to 15%, significantly higher than previous estimates. The agency estimated the rate for people older than 64 years to be more than 50%. The revised WHO estimates, based on data from four countries, came on the heels of a Lancet article in which researchers studied case records from Hong Kong and calculated a case-fatality ratio as high as 55% for patients aged 60 and older http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2003/05/estimates-sars-death-rates-revised-upward

People still have to obey the self isolation. 90%+ of the patients are not hosptialized.

Good post. Corp's and consumers are both to blame. Reality is we can't produce all we consume however we should have looked elsewhere for at least a significant portion of that outsourcing. We really fucked up not giving more and more to Mexico. Maybe a families south of the border wouldn't be so eager to produce poppies, cocaine and meth if some of that went to Mexico. Not to mention create a more stable society where everyone didn't want to run to the US.

True...but the other truth is hundreds of thousands if not millions of American's will have gotten the virus and not shown symptoms enough or at all dramatically skewing the fatality rate numbers.

Well he probably know's the correct usage or your and you're. Whether it intelligence or senility Trump is miles ahead of Biden. Biden probably forgets to use the restroom and pisses himself.

Biden can't formulate or string 2 coherent sentences together and he is the person to pass judgement. Zero chance he wrote that himself.

Perspective. Doctors kill upwards of 250,000 people in the US every year with mis or wrong diagnosis. This isn't a single pandemic. This is year after year after year. https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/22/medical-errors-third-leading-cause-of-death-in-america.html

Link?

That, lower activities, and fear of going to the er. Regular office visits they just aren't accepting for the most part.

Not working? 80% are and many in very stressful positions....med staff.