AKIQPilot

Every day he just wants to fight with people he disagrees with. Someone says something he disagrees with and he immediately gets personal and starts calling them names. I've never seen anything like it.

I was never militant about wearing masks. You made that up.

I wonder if he really would have hurt Biden more than Trump. Seems like a toss up to me.

Go find one post where I was militant about wearing masks. Quit making stuff up.

Are you implying a persons attitude and positions shouldn't change as a situation evolves?

One more time, just for you.

People die every single day. Nothing will stop that.

His anti Trump stance is just icing on the cake for you.

At least you don't deny your obvious slant.

Opinion | Healthcare professionals: We have flattened the curve, now we’re behind it Okanogan County health officials want to reduce any risk that might create new Covid-19 cases. As independent healthcare professionals, we contend this is not a realistic or appropriate health policy goal. The original justification for the economic shutdown and stay-at-home order was to “flatten the curve.” This was a nuclear strategy that many healthcare professionals felt compelled to support in the context of a rapidly-evolving landscape surrounding an unfamiliar virus. However, with data accumulation we have learned that the virus is less deadly than originally feared and primarily harmful only for a specific, identifiable portion of the population. Stanford data and other epidemiologists are reporting an infectious fatality rate closer to 0.1 to 0.2%, a risk appreciably lower than previous World Health Organization estimates 20 to 30 times higher. The outdated WHO estimates are still being cited by state and local health officials to justify the continued lockdown. According to the latest data from the state Department of Health, 90 percent of all Washington Covid-19 deaths are individuals 60 or older and more than half are age 80 or older. Sixty-one percent of Covid-19 deaths are associated with long-term care facilities. These older, vulnerable individuals should be protected, and we should concentrate our quarantine and isolation efforts where they will be effective. It is neither prudent nor responsible to suggest that healthy individuals under the age of 60 remain at home indefinitely. People have done exactly what they were told. They stayed home, closed their businesses, and flattened the curve. Most of the rationale and data supporting the shutdown has collapsed, but some health officials and government leaders won’t let it go. Unless we want to annihilate all faith in public health authorities, we shouldn’t move the goalpost from “flatten the curve” to “no new cases.” In fact, we can expect the number of Covid-19 cases to rise as testing increases. Perhaps the most damaging, unsubstantiated, and unproven theory surrounding Covid-19 is that of asymptomatic spread. Initially, because many people tested positive without displaying symptoms, it was posited that these individuals were silent carriers. Because the virus was new, it was thought safest lock down even seemingly healthy individuals because of the risk that they may be disease vectors. While it has yet to be proven that asymptomatic transmission of Covid-19 can’t happen, there is no evidence that this is occurring on a wide scale. The idea that we should live in a perpetual state of fear that any healthy person could be spreading the virus is not backed by scientific evidence. In King County, the epicenter of Washington’s outbreak, public health officials have now estimated that the transmission rate of the virus has been consistently below 1.0 since March 29. This is great news! We should be following the science and data toward resuming our lives. Washington schools were prematurely canceled for the entire year, despite a growing number of reports from public health and infectious disease experts suggesting children spread the virus far less than adults. Montana and Idaho are sending their kids back to school. And while other states are reopening, Washington counties are expected to go three weeks with no new cases in order to move to Phase 2. In March, model after model predicted severe hospital bed and ICU shortages, even with social distancing. Thankfully, these models were wrong. The predicted shortages never manifested. We have beds. We have ICU capacity. We have ventilator capacity. The system is not overwhelmed. In fact, we dismantled our field hospital and sent 500 ventilators to New York. Meanwhile, hospitals all over the state are furloughing thousands of healthcare workers amid multi-million-dollar budget shortfalls. Many health officials in rural and non-profit hospitals are receiving substantial government grants and subsidies to remain operable, but that doesn’t mean they should ignore the financial plight of other Washington hospitals and businesses that are hemorrhaging. It is futile to attempt to bring the risk of contracting COVID-19 down to zero. Free people make choices every day that increase their risk of dying. Your chances of dying while driving a car is almost double your chance of dying while driving an SUV. We don’t ban cars. Hundreds of children drown in pools each year. We don’t ban pools. Five thousand Americans choke and die on solid food every year. We don’t ban solid food. The truth is, we have accepted that there are trade-offs between the risk of death and quality of life, and we make them every day. The virus shutdown is trading lives too. Depression, anxiety, suicide, obesity and all of the other risks from inactivity and isolation will result in death. As healthcare professionals, we are seeing them in our practices and we are alarmed. There is no clinical data supporting the restraint and quarantine of healthy individuals to prevent the spread of a virus, and that is proving true with COVID-19. It is a travesty that our response to this crisis has been to saddle future generations with crippling debt, bankrupt hundreds of businesses, and force unemployment to Great Depression levels. The “no new cases” criteria put out by Governor Inslee is not realistic for most communities. The virus is here to stay. We must learn to live with it and mitigate its effects to the best of our ability. Washington should be following New York Governor Cuomo’s lead by allowing statewide restrictions to expire and returning control to the local governments that are in the best position to monitor the needs of their communities. If a local area has sufficient hospital bed and ICU capacity and the transmission rate is below 1.0, then a community is in a good position to begin safely reopening. Many health professionals disagree with our government’s current plan but are afraid to speak out. We can no longer remain silent. It’s time to change course. In Washington, we have flattened the curve, and now we’re behind it. We must protect and shelter the aged and vulnerable and allow the healthy population to resume living. By: Karl W. Lambert, Medical Director, ARNP, Redimedi Integrative Clinic; Dr. Gillian Shaw, MD, Cashmere Redimedi Integrative Clinic; Amy Wood, ARNP, Redimedi Integrative Clinic; Shawn Needham, R.Ph and Janet Needham, R.Ph, Moses Lake Professional Pharmacy. https://www.wenatcheeworld.com/news/coronavirus/opinion-healthcare-professionals-we-have-flattened-the-curve-now-we-re-behind-it/article_04e65b7c-9575-11ea-bb58-177808efba6e.html?fbclid=IwAR1IRvcTuSvus0f7zGYvppennOTKbkrzxJyPZwdGz1VMimFkuuOiYwRBYmY

You mean like that medical expert in South Dakota that was quoted in the article you posted saying South Dakota would become the next New York if they didn't shut down the state immediately? That kind of expert?

Well, it seems that most of what you post is anti republican and for sure anti Trump. I know you like that Amish guy but most of that adoration is because he too hates Trump. From the majority of your posts on this forum you sure appear to lean left. Nothing wrong with leaning left, just admit it and keep on keeping on.

Now days we kayak to the bar then just drive home.......

Why does that matter?

Being just off the beaten path is very nice. Our lake is probably closer to 400 acres than it is to 500. This lake is very shallow, probably 10' average depth Lots of 4'-5' deep stuff with the riverbed at 42' max. It warms up super fast. And freezes fast in the winter. We bought our old place in 1987. There were 8 full time residents on the lake at the time and about 10 recreational cabins. There are 50 homes on the lake now and basically no cabins. Almost all of the properties are from 2 to 5 acres in size. We are only 4 miles from town so not secluded at all. The town is basically built around Wasilla Lake which is 2 lakes down river from us.

Thanks. The view is better in winter with no leaves on the trees but summer is so green. Our lake is fairly small. About 500 acres. Almost 2 miles long and 1/2 mile wide. No public access and no business, bars or restaurants on the lake. It's connected by creeks to 5 other lakes in a chain. Some of those lakes have bars, restaurants and marinas. Back when we first bought the place in the 80's I could ride my jetski to and from the bar. Now there are roads and culverts and subdivisions that make it a little more difficult. Hahaha

Pretty much. Everyone here is going about life like things are back to normal. All the bars and restaurants are open here now. Obviously this is far from over and there will be many more deaths but it's not that much different than any other flu season for the vast majority of places.

Oh yea, that is a very happy place no doubt. The evening sun sets right in front of your place. So cool. That is a Happy Place too. Lake life is a blessed life. Hard to imagine life not living on a lake.

Hahaha. Oh yes. No doubt about that.

The local sled riding area about 10 miles from home is still open. This is probably the last weekend. The south facing slopes like in these pictures looks a little bare but the valleys behind these hills still have 10’ of snow. The bottom pic is one of the places where Neal, Joel, Preston and I went riding when they came up in 2013. Called Hatcher Pass.

No mask bud. Not required where I am or have been. Are masks required where you frequent?

I will go shoot the temp in a bit but my guess is the water is about 45-48f already. Kids said it didnt take their breath away. It will get up into the low 70’s by Early June. Last summer we had a high water temp of 84.6 on July 4th.

Almost 70f right now. Ice has been out for about 10 days. Still snow on the shores in the shaded areas. Kids are having a blast.

Hmmm. Good question.