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Exactly, they should have been releasing the catalyst, and 858 at that show. They blew more money in one year on the unused "HQ" than they did on R&D in the prior 5 years combined

you trying to prove you know less than jimwit?? If so you are doing an awful good job

Some of my pics of the inside (the bar is/was under the neon sign): @ZR6000RR knows everything that goes on at AC, I bet he has better pics.. This is the beginning of the mod flex (prowler pro)

even the shadow has tits

shocker right

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nah, it's just that poo was heavy too

Friend sent me pics of an 850 on the rope in old forge, same deal. Dealer up there is one of the largest in the world for doo (400 sleds a year till the rona shortage) they keep plenty of engines in stock, cranks, pistons, and cylinders in stock

SX races are closer and more frequent to me than XC

in before anyone says the outsold ac last year

Say what you want about @Gym Ramstud, but he is obviously more intelligent than jimwit (@ZR6000RR). At least gym has the ability to spell, use punctuation, and grammar. Gym also knows far more about sleds than jimwit could ever hope to, I'd bet that unlike jimwit, he knows the first year ac had engine reverse, and that he wouldn't go on a forum and tell somone their sled has engine reverse, when it never did. Also gym isn't going all over the internet making up bullshit.

Can you translate that from fucking moron to english? Even with pictures and a link to the magazine story, you don't understand that its welded to the tunnel??? Since you aren't smart enough to click the link, I'll quote it for you:

Holy fuck are you stupid. Welcome to 2016 you fucking moron: https://www.snowtechmagazine.com/ski-doo-gen-4-rev-friction-stir-welding/ BTW that's owned.. notice how I posted the truth, with links, and pictures. Instead of making up a stupid lie, like you do

wrong as usual, doo is the only one with DI With as stupid as you are, your opinion on the heat exchanger is as worthless as you. The only thing you own is a collection of huge butt plugs.

Thats almost like saying Roger retired. I personally know guys who got canceled, here in NY despite some of the strongest franchise laws in the country. Some of them could have fought it, and won, but the court costs to try would vastly outweigh the profit of keeping the brand.

as far as not "me too" doo has: direct injection (with throttle body injectors to cool everything at high loads), 850 cc, 2 stroke turbo, true smart suspension, heat exchanger integrated into the tunnel not riveted to it, methanol injection, rising rate rear suspension that fits in the tunnel, etc. AC would sell more mountain sleds if they offered a standard 2 rail skid. It gets asked about all the time, by consumers, and dealers HP loss is 3% per 1,000 feet

If they are still interested, Argo would be the best fit, hell they are right down the street, and have most of the talent that textron foolishly got rid of

not just recalls, but they lost a class action lawsuit over it. https://www.arcticcatyamahanationalclassaction.ca/

That would be the first good thing they've done since taking over, but it would also be a change of plans, as they have already turned down real offers from yamaha, argo, and at least one other

devils advocate time.. poo and doo both have turbo 850 trail and mountain sleds poo has had a belt drive in the mountains for years poo has a 900 even though poo's 840, 840 turbo, and 900 aren't reliable, they are ahead of AC right now, as is doo. The biggest thing is that It both companies have been developing their next engine and chassis since the last one was released

I still have my green goggles, but don't ever recall making up complete lies, like jimwit, or defending obvious fuckups to such a ridiculous extent. Guess I can understand how some of these guys don't have a clue what is actually happening/happened. Arctic Cat is gone, its dead and burried. The company is now Textron Specialized Vehicles. All but a tiny hand full of the people who made it great, and great to work with are gone as well. Everybody knows they fired Roger, GLS, Don Eidie, Brian Dick, shut down the race department got rid of the staff, and moved it to more or less one man's cubicle etc. Its the folks that none of them know about that are the ones that made it such a great company, most of them are long gone. Guys spent an entire year with an empty box next to their desk, so they would be ready when the notice came down that they got fired.

Which has less than nothing to do with you saying they don't care about sales #'s

speaking of McLaren... Its worth the watch and listen. Apparently their engines are as reliable as polaris engines

The problem is that textron has fucked the entire process up, what they have done to engineering, purchasing, and line workers they have killed their production capability. In 2012 they built 16,000 sleds for 2024 they will build about 6,000. With volumes that low margins are almost non existent, leaving little profit to pay for R&D. BTW the Bugatti / McLaren thing you brought up isn't even in the same universe as that textron is doing, or wants to do. Not sure if you've been hanign out with jimwit, but you need to re-read my post on it, until you understand. Being 3rd in sales wasn't bad when AC was close to poo in market share/production numbers, but they have fallen off a cliff, and are down to around 10% of the market. They are not niche, or botique by any stretch of the imagination, they do not command a significantly higher price than the others, so they make far less per unit, and far fewer units. The last 2 years poo sold more 850 turbo sleds (almost 12,000) than AC built total units (barely 10,000). Let that sink in.