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Everyone but the hardcore Green Boner Crowd seem to realize that. Again, update the display, offer more accessory options, greater engine options, and make it widely available/ reliable -- and I'll gladly give it a close look. I'd gladly go back to Cat if they offer something that Polaris doesn't have. Right now having belt drive doesn't motivate me at all.....

@Crnr2Crnr To simplify if further, just refer to it as "fun factor". The Procross is a great trail chassis for all of the attributes that we've discussed ad nauseum. But the SnoPro chassis offered something that the Procross couldn't- it was probably the most fun I've ever had. The little Suzuki 500 took abuse like no other engine and ran WOT all day for years on end. You could flog the SnoPro chassis mercilessly- and that entire package held together. What a fun sled, and what a shame that Cat didn't further it's development- they wouldn't have been as far behind as they are today.

@Premium This is right on. Regardless of what the Green Boner Crew says, this is nothing more than a "Me Too" offering to at least allow Cat to be competitive with Ski-Doo and Polaris. Altho it may be a good offering, it doesn't bring customers back that Cat has been hemorrhaging for years. The Catalyst only increases short term sales to Cat's hardcore remaining customers and prevents further marketshare loss. Regardless of how you look at it- from any angle- the Catalyst offers nothing that isn't already available from their competition. In fact, they are still behind.....

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I'm assuming that there will need to still be some air flow directed under the hood to the belt drive. There will always be heat build up just from the friction on the cogs and inherent stretching of the belt- which will granted be minimal, but present none the less. Is anyone buying in to the idea of no service interval for that belt?

What? @800renegaderider The '12's weren't perfect?? LOL- I forgot about all of the reverse issues that year on the Turbo's and the ongoing sage of reverse servos. Everyone playing with different belt deflection to allow the servo to engage, then having it strip it's gears....Good times... I remember the issues with the cracking heat exchanger mounts. As I recall that was only a Turbo issue. The jackshaft issues drove people nuts, but they seemed to offer an alternative quickly. I don't think anyone would question the durability of the Suzuki's- agreed 100%. Good times.....

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I'll just put this right here..... Conditions here in the NW corner of WI are epic....

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I'm encouraged by Cat's conservative approach to this release. They learned something from the '12's, and know how much is at stake if they mess this up. We'll know a year from now whether the Cat is back or not. The '12 were very inconsistent- there was a steep learning curve for Cat, the dealers, and owners to make them reliable. Regardless of my bashing, I hope that the Catalyst drives innovation in this market and enhances competition. I'll take a serious look at the Catalyst a year from now. They should have worked the bugs out, added additional engine and accessory options, and have a competitive display to help lure back their former customers from Poo and Doo (people like me).

Single year. It was THAT BAD. Imagine the bath I took when I tried to sell that pile of shit once I realized just how bad it really was. By then, everyone new about it, and I couldn't hardly give it away. I had some rather angry posts on HCS at that time related to that pile of garbage. I swore at that time that I'd never ever own another Polaris product.....

I do think you're right on in that line of thinking. Cat knows all too well how things went with the 12's, so it shouldn't be a surprise to anyone that they are being conservative with the Catalyst release. By having limited models with a single engine, it reduces Cat's potential exposure if something major does come up. And allows the dealers to service in a timely manner a limited number of sleds. Obviously, Polaris is in a another realm in terms of their recall- it has to be an absolute nightmare for Polaris and their dealer network.

Agree! Or Worse- Fusion 700- Shit show engulfed in a dumpster fire...... Had one of those piles as well.

LOL- ANY copy / paste would be from my posts that I made on HCS or ArcticChat back when this shit show was going on. EVERYONE knows that the '12's were piles of shit and not ready for market. It is comical that you deny that- you completely undermine what little credibility you have left. Please, tell us how great they were..... There are plenty of folks on here, AChat, or HCS that can vouch for my work..... Hell, like a noob, use the search tool on HCS and search for those posts yourself.....

Alright- I'll bite! :-) LOL- Give me a fucking break. You @stinkipinki, like Ramstad @ZR6000RR, pretend to be knowledgeable, but don't know shit. You were either absent, or not paying attention at that time. Unlike you and Ramstad that are nothing more than green cheerleader wannabe's, there are several of us here that had a ton of first hand experience, and had cell #'s of engineers at that time to help sort out the issues. It was bad. The '12's sucked, and it embedded a ton of mistrust of Arctic Cat due to what they dumped on dealers and customers. The '12's were not refined at all. Those of us that bought '12's were Guinea Pigs so Cat could finish development. If I sat here, I could come up with several more issues than I've already posted with the '12's. There's a reason why the Fox Floats went away. Remember the hundreds of Fox Float posts on HCS with people desperate to get the right pressure to fix the handling and ride woes on the Floats that year? Google is your friend. You don't even remember the issues with the Tri-Hub? LOL ECU's being destroyed by belts that grenaded? Or belts thru the belly pan and even occasionally blowing the side panels off? I remember working on clutching fixes at that time to try to keep belts on those sleds. Tons of testing went in to addressing alignment issues, clutch calibration, even belt compounds to help guys keep belts on not only the Turbos, but the F800's as well (which weren't nearly as bad). Anyone remember the headlights that aimed at the sky? Or the initially inaccurate directions for installing the tall windshield that caused many people to drill in to the headlight housing? REMEMBER THE GLACIERS that built up on the tunnels of the '12 causing Cat to redesign the tunnel and replace the dented tunnels on many '12's? REMEMBER the snow ingestion issue? It resulted in burn downs on the 2 strokes and later Cat fixed the issue with a different intake gasket and 2 long screws by the intake to keep the hood from moving enough to break the seal. Remember those that bought LXR's in '12 that didn't get a battery or electric start? I could go on all fucking day..... All of those issues that I posted previously were well discussed on HCS at the time. I remember posting pictures constantly of sleds that I was working on that had those frequent issues. It was a mess. You have no credibility at all if you're trying to sugar coat the '12's. Those sleds gave Cat a HUGE black eye. Cat even took back some Turbos that year that they could not fix. The good news is that things improved for '13, and were great from '14 on....

Bingo!!!! Frankly, from the '14's on, my Procross sleds were really solid. Well, all except that ZR3000 I bought for my wife....that was an abomination.......