Boonbocker1

I see it both ways. He sold his business and ideas to polaris. He worked for them until 2020, he has insider knowledge about the business and such. It feels like he's double dipping in a sense. If he wanted to own a snowbike business he shouldn't have sold to begin with. On the other hand, if he fulfilled his contract and there's no non-compete or other such agreements then he should be free to do as he pleases. I can see how its easy to pick sides here but until all the facts are out who is to know who is right and wrong here?

I like cats, I don't own one and likely never will but I like competition and another brand for consumers to choose from. It dumsatd and stinki weren't so foolishly blinded and didn't regurgitate marketing language as the next coming of christ I'd likely never respond to this or any cat bashing thread on this site.

You sound like a buffoon that blindly regurgitates marketing material that meets your liking. You have little to no ability to think freely, field questions and absorb facts that state something out of your set of beliefs.

What is this belt drive updated from? Its new to cat on a production sled!? How does 1 quantify less rolling friction while test riding it? Are those the same testers who stated the gen 1 800 meets emissions?

Yet cats marketing material i posted states the gen 1 meets emissions. You are too far down your own rabbit hole to see the truth right on front of you that cat themselves pushed on the gen 1 800. On the ragged edge of meeting it?? Hell, if it meets it why redesign it? Thats a very poor business decision. And now they are soon going to obsolete that motor again.

In the gen 1 post showing cat marketing material it states that the gen 1 800 meets tier 3 epa regs. To redesign it 2 yts later is redundant. To claim it was redesigned for emissions doesn't jive when cat claimed the gen 1 meets emissions. The janitor is now a reputable source for you?

So cat lied about the gen 1 800 ctec? What else do they lie about? So if cat spent 12 yrs developing a dirty 800, replaced it 2 yrs later with a clean 800 and now is planning to replace it with a bigger engine then its safe to say we know why textron needed to bail them out before they went bankrupt.

I posted 2 images of marketing material from Cat regarding 800 ctec emissions, you still think the gen 2 800 changes are over emissions. You clearly are the one drinking spew.

Cat didnt think emissions was hard to meet with the gen 1 ctec 800. No hate or obsession on cat, just busting balls on the few cat lovers here who are so blinded with green they can't see past there own brands flaws and recognize cat has become a me too company on many fronts. Much of the tech these guys ejaculate over is just nothing more than cats spin on existing tech....they just can't see that.

Thanks, this is what I had thought in regards to the ctec setup. A few "in the know" cat loyalists on here will be surprised to learn this.

Thats false according to cat themselves.

The non parallel, variable caster a arm suspension polaris patented? The 1 that was very different from the AWS suspension cat used at the time? Does cat offer anything similar to this now? What year did cat 1st offer it?

Sounds familiar to the early poo 4 injector CFI where the auxiliary injector only was used during high load. Slotted piston sounds like a different way of accomplishing the same result? Why did the 800 go away from this design? So now that the slot is gone its really similiar to the poo setup?

Is this the same as the 400 and 800 engines? Does the new catalyst 600 engine retain this feature? Has the 800 ctec ever used this design, do they still use it?

How is it different? What is cat doing differently than poo?

Its definitely sarcastic. I'm not sure Cat still runs a slotted piston and the injection method they touted as 1st class just a few yrs ago. I believe they run a SDI system now, which is very similar to poos set up, the same system Cat claimed was sub par. Blown engines are not fun, no matter the brand

The slotted piston design and fuel injection method Cat pioneered is 2nd to none! Its the industry benchmark in terms of performance and reliability. Its so much better than the competition's SDI system and ETEC. Cat got this design right the 1st time, cudos to them!

Do you have a link showing polaris was raided?

Let me guess, u were the #1 cheerleader for diamond drive too? U have zero insight, other than marketing hype, on how this belt drive system will work out. If the jackshaft is on an eccentric how do they control drive belt center distance? Cat introduced an adjustment method instead of a fixed center distance on their belt drive and your creaming your panties steady about it like its some engineering breakthrough. You don't even know why they chose that method vs a tensioner. Gearing changes are available for polaris too. You are very simple minded and just regurgitate marketing material and have no clue how any of the catalyst will work long term.

So chaincase are bad and polaris didn't do a belt drive setup 1st?

Yet the poo feels nothing like a doo and according to that video the catalyst is very polaris feeling. Got it

The ergos are nothing like the REV at all. Sit on a matryx or axys or pro ride, they are not close to as far forward as a REV at all. In that video the rider stated the catalyst felt like a Polaris. Interesting comparison when Doo is the sales leader, if poo copied doo ergoes why would he compare it to a polaris?

I said it before, Cat needs to stop focusing on Polaris and go after trying to win over the doo buyers. Thats their best chance of success. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery though

Jim, whats your market share predictions for year 1, 2 and 3 of the catalyst? You tout how many riders are switching. I want to hear what you're expectations are as far as converting poo and doo riders

Nothing you described here describes how any of those are revolutionary over polaris. There are some differences but its sorta like they took someone else's design as a starting g point then modified it to their specific needs. This is nothing new or earth shattering in any industry. So they've done what others have done and put their spin on it.