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Sounds familiar to the early poo 4 injector CFI where the auxiliary injector only was used during high load. Slotted piston sounds like a different way of accomplishing the same result? Why did the 800 go away from this design? So now that the slot is gone its really similiar to the poo setup?

Is this the same as the 400 and 800 engines? Does the new catalyst 600 engine retain this feature? Has the 800 ctec ever used this design, do they still use it?

How is it different? What is cat doing differently than poo?

Its definitely sarcastic. I'm not sure Cat still runs a slotted piston and the injection method they touted as 1st class just a few yrs ago. I believe they run a SDI system now, which is very similar to poos set up, the same system Cat claimed was sub par. Blown engines are not fun, no matter the brand

The slotted piston design and fuel injection method Cat pioneered is 2nd to none! Its the industry benchmark in terms of performance and reliability. Its so much better than the competition's SDI system and ETEC. Cat got this design right the 1st time, cudos to them!

Do you have a link showing polaris was raided?

Let me guess, u were the #1 cheerleader for diamond drive too? U have zero insight, other than marketing hype, on how this belt drive system will work out. If the jackshaft is on an eccentric how do they control drive belt center distance? Cat introduced an adjustment method instead of a fixed center distance on their belt drive and your creaming your panties steady about it like its some engineering breakthrough. You don't even know why they chose that method vs a tensioner. Gearing changes are available for polaris too. You are very simple minded and just regurgitate marketing material and have no clue how any of the catalyst will work long term.

So chaincase are bad and polaris didn't do a belt drive setup 1st?

Yet the poo feels nothing like a doo and according to that video the catalyst is very polaris feeling. Got it

The ergos are nothing like the REV at all. Sit on a matryx or axys or pro ride, they are not close to as far forward as a REV at all. In that video the rider stated the catalyst felt like a Polaris. Interesting comparison when Doo is the sales leader, if poo copied doo ergoes why would he compare it to a polaris?

I said it before, Cat needs to stop focusing on Polaris and go after trying to win over the doo buyers. Thats their best chance of success. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery though

Jim, whats your market share predictions for year 1, 2 and 3 of the catalyst? You tout how many riders are switching. I want to hear what you're expectations are as far as converting poo and doo riders

Nothing you described here describes how any of those are revolutionary over polaris. There are some differences but its sorta like they took someone else's design as a starting g point then modified it to their specific needs. This is nothing new or earth shattering in any industry. So they've done what others have done and put their spin on it.

Ok. What specifically is engineered differently? Both systems uses 2 sprockets and a belt? Does cat use a tensioner? Is the steering system just a rack style steering simiiar to polaris? Is there something with the system new and unique? Or is it just marketing verbage cat uses to compare it against procross sleds?

Could you describe what car did differently with the belt drive vs polaris that makes it ground breaking? Could you describe the progressive steering system? What is with this system thats ground breaking over competitor designs? If you can't answer those questions then, to me, it appears you are just regurgitating cats marketing dept.

So if cat doesn't capture 20% market share this year is the catalyst considered a flop? I read alot in here from a couple guys that catalyst is the future and poo and doo have next to nothing that any consumer is excited about and cat is stealing other brands customers. Is 20% market reasonable for cat to grab this year? What % share does poo and doo loose to cat this year?

That had to be a painfully long slow day. Starrting When my oldest was 4yo he'd ride his 120 behind me and we'd ride the 3.5 miles to my moms for coffee on random wknd days. It took alot of patience! I cant imagine trying to do 20 miles at once with a 120 and a 3 yr old.

I wish cat the best with catalyst. If you remove emotion and read what I wrote about belt noise and packaging you will see these are valid detractors from a current production belt drive system thats been around since 2013. Cat could have a better solution, we will see in time. More of a concern than noise, for me, is how much room it MIGHT take up in the footwell area?

I'll reserve final judgement until these units are built in the masses and in the hands of many vs a few. Right now there's alot of buzz around it due to many yrs of nothing new. Thats expected, 1 yr from now we will know how the whole sled actually works and have real world consumer feedback

Having owned belt drive rmks and chaincase trail sleds ill say the belt is a nosier system. It also will take up footwell space if its packaged in the toe hold area and not forward of it such as on an rmk. Am curious to see cats solution to these known detractors on poos belt drive.

I bet its a weber based engine of some sort...you know, the company textron bought that used to provide polaris with their snowmobile 4 stroke engines back in 2006.

If I had unlimited time I could find several threads where cat owners ragged on poo for having a playful chassis that can lift the skis by leaning back or corner flat by leaning forward. Lots of banter past few yrs from poo crew about how procross was boring to ride and how cat crew said poos were dangerous cuz you could change the sleds attitude by moving around on the sled a bit. Many cat owners feared being able to lean side to side or forward and backward to get the sled to move with the rider....until catalyst. Edit- poo crew used analogy of influincing the sled like a dirtbike. Cat crew said thats bad and that couches aren't responsive like that so their sleds shouldn't be either

137 Vr1 is the exact sled i own and have owned since 2021. Again, no issues with inside ski lift

Wow, I must be special along with my 5 riding buddies who all are on axys or matryx sleds. We don't have issues with inside ski lift on them. Back when we rode the pro ride stuff though it was an annoyance in some situations

Oh snap! This is about as bad as when cats marketing material for the 2018 alpha 1 mirrored poos 2013 marketing material for the pro rmk. Cats images of how the alpha works on a side hill were near identical to poos images from About 8 yrs earlier. IMO cat needs to stop chasing poo for sales and set its eyes on doo.