yeah, i agree and its why i live close to a big metro area. we have a few guys at work that used to work for gm in janesville. one moved to texas when they shut it down and just moved back after he got his 30 years in. he is collecting a full pension and making good money working here too. he must have started right out of high school at gm because he doesnt look any older than upper 40's or early 50's.