jdsky

Cat agrees and held off on that new chassis because you know, no modern chassis needed because trails are always smooth.....I suppose no new performance motor next season because, only 600s or smaller are actually needed.....

If anyone is just dying to ride one of those old buckboard style chassis I know where you can pickup a 700 sabre cat for less than the price of a new zr120.

Feel bad for yami and 2024. Just how many versions of a sidewinder does their need to be?

I really don't give two shits if anyone changes brands but if cat builds better products people will buy them. Too many diehard cat fanatics have argued for too many years that cat has the perfect product lineup - see dumstad. Poo has improved their products a shit ton over the past half decade and their sales reflect that. None of this has anything to do with how many miles a given rider can put on a 2 smoker before it smokes. My 600's had zero issues ever. Even my fucking old as dirt 98' ZR died only because my son decided to launch it onto a solid pile of ice that he thought was snow. I call total bullshit on any 600's failing early these days unless user fucking error. Big bore smokers? YMMV regardless of brand so again, not the reason anyone is buying one manufacturer over the other.

Poo has already won over more than a few and it shows in their sales numbers. There's been by far more new poos on our trails over the last couple of years than anything else.

Agree with this for a couple of reasons. Poo still won't release their turbo 4 stroke and Doo riders that still have not switched to Poo by now are likely not going to so open season for cat. But cat has a shitload of work to do first and most of it is going to take years. They need a proven reliable performance 2 stroke. If it lands next season it will take at least 2-3 more seasons to prove to everyone that it is the real deal and reliable. They need to purpose build the catalyst for the Yami engine i.e better balanced overall than it is in the PC chassis. That's if they still have the option to sell it moving forward. The drive train needs to be bullet proof reliable with zero issues. No clutching problems, no drive bearing problems, no issues with the new belt drive, period. If they can get these things ironed out I think they can take sales away from doo. Oh, and the big one. If their sleds are going to be the most expensive options on the market they have to better in every single way.

Where's the rebate??? You keep posting this as if it's a bad thing. Since when is having leftover sleds at the end of the season bad for customers? Pre-scamdemic everyone expected leftovers and an option to score a new sled at a good price. In low snow years there were just more models to choose from and at even deeper discounts. Dealers can sell their shit for whatever price they want to.

For most it's just commentary about an unbiased review. Not just fans blowing about what a gamechanger it is. The orders are in and production will be starting soon. The runway to fix remaining issues is getting shorter by the day. It's good cat finally brought a modern chassis to market. It's not good that it only comes in a warmed over 600. It's not good that it is now the most expensive option of the three manufacturers. It's not good that supply is so limited that it sold out in minutes.

Except you rode the same fuckin' demo sleds and said they were all perfect. Completely flawless. Bestest things on snow ever to be dreamed up and of course only cat could do something so tremendously stupendous. Fucking Dipshit.

dumstad is the rider on the left....

No shit. Some of the best stories for us involve a 97' cougar. It was a sled my brother would loan out to buddies coming with us on trips back in those days. It was wrecked so many times we lost count. Always something epic. That sled got towed back a bunch but also just kept on running. That 550 liquid zuk was a runner but we could not keep drive bearings in that sled due to all the wrecks. Based on all the late 90's stuff we still see on the trails I'm sure someone is out there somewhere still putting miles on it.

No 90 mile rides on those for me anymore. We just sold the last of our vintage machines a couple weeks ago. 79' 5500. 503cc of air cooled awesome. I could definitely ride it down the road and back or across the fields but on the trails? I would be laid up for a few weeks recovering. Messed my back up several years ago and if not for modern suspensions sledding wouldn't even be in the cards anymore. Looking at the machines we used to ride is great nostalgia though. Mostly for the stories surrounding those rides.

For me looking at vintage sleds on the trails or stops is interesting and cool, riding them not so much.

Go back to jerking off to your order confirmation shit for brains.

Jeebus H Christ. It's not a fucking rebate, it's a dealer discount. Cut and paste right off the website.... I'll even bold the important word for you. All accessories ordered will ship separately from the sled and will deliver directly to your dealer. *Plus destination charge and set-up. Logistics surcharge of $700 will apply.

Rider in our group has been waiting years to replace his 07'. Looking like he will order a 600r.

I called them. Just like anything read the fuckin' fine print. Also, you forgot the part where you said it was a $2000 rebate which is completely different from UP to $2K off. I said there were no fucking factory rebates and you just kept on a arguing. Just like when you stated Cat was not charging any fucking logistics fee. It was right there on their website.

There's others but its not worth the fight. I still have calls in to dealers out East trying to find one offering a $2K rebate.

My dealer, that sells all brands but cat now, had a demo sled that anyone could take out. Not a guided ride but head out on the trail and take it for a rip. This was not the very first season but the following. Anyone could stop by and take it out. The problem over the past couple of years has been lack of floor stock but the best way to ride the poo chassis is to call around and find a dealer that will let you take one out. If that does not work there is always the rental route. Rider from TX in our group rents every season and this year he rented a VR1 650 after renting various doo's over the years. The 650 is an incredibly strong motor and top end is surprising. It should be an interesting side by side run with the catalyst.

At least you got one thing right in this post. You did ride it and it was the worst fucking thing cat could have ever have done to promote their new chassis.

This is exactly what poo did with the launch of their chassis. They quickly got it in the hands of riders from other brands that could sing the praises of poo engineering. It worked, because they have sold a shit load of sleds not only to diehard poo fans but also the cat and doo riders.

Spot on. The catalyst could have been anything and spring orders would have sold out in minutes. Finally after so many years it just needed to be new and different so that all of the fans still riding old shit would finally get excited to buy a new sled. Extremely limited supply just added to the illusion that this must be a game changer for sure Ole. What will be far more important to their business is what happens with the spring releases in 5 or 10 years from now.

Entirely just to piss off cat fanciers on internet forums. Next season it will be available on a thunderchicken and then it will not only be the best thing to have on a sled but we can find out that cat really invented it and everyone else copied them.

What's funny is everyone thinking people are mad. I'm not mad, just trying to get this place back on track with the old HCS days. For fuck sake, everyone has gone so soft. Anytime the manufacturer's announce there is no better opportunity to pick their shit apart and definitely nothing compares to a brand new decade late to the party chassis that is a GAMECHANGER to do that.

All you had to say was you are right jd....