taperk600

23 hours ago, Crnr2Crnr said:

bullseyes, riot pipe flash, and still in break-in? 

when does the pipe go on?

good #'s Tom

That is with the pipe. 

Bullseyes

Small outlet Riot Pipe (something new they are working on this fall)

Flash (to match the pipe)

More to follow next week...... They were playing with various heads today. Stock, modified stock, interchangeable domes, etc..........

Still mid-high 40 degree temps....but at least it wasn't pouring out today.......

A few more ponies on this one....... and a nice wide band....... Wish it was in the 30s today...........

Crappy day for some stock testing on Tuesday .......... high 40s, pouring rain, crap air quality........ but with all things being equal, seeing about the same as we had been seeing with the Cat Ctec2 800 the past 2 years...... 

1st chart is all stock, just out of the rev limiter and in full break-in

2nd chart is after more run time, still in break-in but less added fuel (still full added oil)

3rd chart is with Bullseyes, D&D stock reflash (still in break-in).

So on this day, with these crappy weather conditions, we saw the additional airflow and better mapping gave us +/- 10 hp

9 hours ago, Crnr2Crnr said:

This isn't his first rodeo.  Show some respect, watch and you might learn something from him.

Yes it is..........

And I stayed at the Holiday Inn Express last night......

AND..... for those who know this one......... I'm good at everything except the things that I can't do 

8 hours ago, mnstang said:

Excited to hear more feedback about the new clutch as the season goes.  Sleeper change for 22?

I am very interested to see how these perform also. Found a couple questionable internals so far but it looks like the primary could be much more efficient over past ones. 

Not sure on a sleeper......basically doing the same as I've done on my 20 & 21..... with a few improvements found along the way...... full exhaust, breathers, head mod, ECU adjustments, etc........... get into the 170s and I'll be okay. Don't need the 180s like my 18 and 19 were.......

1 hour ago, Bontz said:

Looking forward to what @taperk600 posts ... he's definitely one of the "good guys" when it comes to this stuff.  I hope you get the results (or better) that you're expecting, Tom!!

Thanks Bontz. Not so much looking for anything different than the 20 or 21 as far as results. More looking at what's different. So far, zip on the motor. Numbers are following the same as the past 2 seasons. But the new clutches will be....... track dyno will show if they are better or not. Shop already located a couple areas to focus on, etc. 

10 hours ago, Frostynuts said:

Just remember, a good dishonest dyno operator can give you the results you are looking for, whether you want great bragging numbers, or piss poor ones, cause you hate the brand. LOL

And these are the comments that result in guys not sharing their knowledge......

I'm not looking for any bragging rights, specific numbers, or anything else. And I have zero reason to share what we find with anyone here.

BTW---- the dyno "operator" is a friend who I have known 30+ yrs. And I have know the shop he is at for my whole life.....and they have a terrific reputation. No reason for anyone to distort what we find. But also need to remember every dyno is different. And every day on the dyno is different from any other. Different air temps, densities, etc...... it's all just a snap shot of that day and time......

50 minutes ago, CFM said:

Taperk600 - you a tuner or racer or ? Just asking cause not many  private people pull right onto dyno, yet i know a few do. Just getting s jist so i know while following thread. I like this stuff. :thumbs

Just a guy with a bunch of good friends.....LOL.....

Stay tuned.....depending on how I feel about how this goes here, will depend on what I post..............

Picked up the 22 RR today.....and dropped it off at the dyno immediately after...........

Tore the ADAPT apart to look inside. Interesting in many ways.....

More to come once we get out of break-in and can start getting some pulls on it.......

7 minutes ago, Crnr2Crnr said:

I get it, but they're enjoyable threads, great information, a plug for D&D and frankly this place needs it - rather than HCS

 

 

We'll see............

Never know what might happen.....

14 hours ago, Crnr2Crnr said:

Welcome back T 

New ride at D&D yet?  The Cat forum here could use some beta with the baseline to done hp/Dyno upgrade info if you want to start a fresh thread.

Either Monday or Tuesday depending on the weather.....

Not sure I'll be posting any dyno stuff.........too much of an ass ache for free information. Let the keyboard jackasses pay for it themselves

8 hours ago, Palu49 said:

@taperk600is almost ready to go up there, I sucked all the ctec2 oil out of the tank and filled it right full of fresh Klotz so it’s race ready for him.

And I see you pulled the seat off for weight reduction too........better have snagged that battery out too while you were at it !!

On 9/30/2021 at 11:48 PM, Palu49 said:

The 600 limited I mentioned came from Tom actually. Now I know why he wants that windshield back 😂

Yes sir....... for the wife's 600 LTD.... need to keep her warm.... Happy wife, happy ride....... Been on the other side of that equation........

On 9/30/2021 at 11:34 PM, Crnr2Crnr said:

it gets cold AF here

Seem to recall @taperk600 (another NY'er and owner of every PC chassis made) tested a bunch of different windshields a while back on a lake and the mid-height produced the highest top speed.  the cross country racers use them to kick air over them and stay warm.  our torsos and heads are nothing but big parachutes, but short shields look cool.  

 

Correct

Mid-sized like what comes on the LTD models--- which is very very similar to the "Cross country" race sled style that isn't available on any consumer sled....except the CC one has a bit more angle at the out lip to push more air up and around the body of the driver.

The touring mid and tall are like a window in front of you.....keep the rider warm....especially the tall

1974 El Tigre 340 twin carb --bought used while in high school. First brand new sled was a 1992 EXT

18 hours ago, Crnr2Crnr said:

just like that... it was over.

rumor has it we have a club up this way that's calling it quits.  14 people in the club, 3 do the work and no one else is contributing is the story I've heard.  the old guys are hanging up their hats and the younger folks aren't picking up the slack.  sadly, this seems to be the direction this sport is heading like many other 'volunteer organizations'.       

Yes sir...... the ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME mentality of today is something else.......

Hey, maybe Biden will give us government snow and government grooming and government trail marking and.....oh wait...... we aren't illegals.......we get shit ..........

3 hours ago, Crnr2Crnr said:

How about doing your normal D&D mods to one of these @taperk600 - sleeper

https://www.yamahamotorsports.com/2-up-touring-utility/models/transporter-800

Wanna know the scary part........ I actually thought the same thing........ right up until I saw it was a 153.........

My thought..... I have a set of front QS3-Rs and a set of Evol-Xs --- so the front is covered. Depending on what the skid was, I probably have adjustables for there too.... then I saw the ONE FIVE THREE.....and the idea sank............
 

6 minutes ago, Crnr2Crnr said:

if there's a diamond hiding in the Cat/Yamaha relationship it's that it helps keep a few folks in TRF employed.  on that note though, why is there only one YamaCat in Textrons line up?

 

Makes you wonder if Yami only allows Cat to have the motor in 1 sled so not to impact their own line up and sales numbers ?

Yami has the SRX...Cat has the T-Cat............ HOWEVER

Yami has a turbo "RR" in the L-TX LE

And Yami has the turbo "RIOT" in the X-TX

AND Yami has the turbo touring sled.....

Sleds some Cat guys have been asking for....

SO.... is it Yami or Cat keeping these sleds on the Yami side of the fence ????

Also strange the the SRX doesn't have the power steering option....it's only on the L-TX GT

8 hours ago, mnstang said:

Yeah people make it seem like more Yamahas is bad for cat.  Or ripping cat off or something.  Like when the mountain max came out.  They're all cats so who cares?  The more the better imo.

I was hoping to see them extend the 2 strokes into the trail segment and not just the mountain max this year.......was hoping it would have better looking colors....... not the case.......

@Crnr2Crnr..... does sound like the "only available the Polaris Race Team" Cross Country has the tipper rails and not the XCR

So..... has anyone been able to confirm whether or not the 2022 XCRs have the tipped 136 rails ?????

Looking between a 650 XCR 136 or a VR1 137......be nice to know about the rails on the 136....

At least they won't be battle shit charcoal grey ..... And they have a few models Cat guys want...... the RIOT 998 Turbo for 1. Or at least did in 2021........

Maybe this is Cat's plan all along.... build up Yami so they can produce more for them .... while killing off Cat's numbers so they don't have the responsibility to develop new products..............

41 minutes ago, Deephaven said:

 

I find it absurd as well.  I've owned more Cats than the other brands and would again if they would make a new sled I want to own.

Did a quick count tonight..... I got 63 Cats that I have owned.....and I probably missed a couple.......

This year.........well...... All I got is it was a sad sad sad sad sad 60th release....

2 hours ago, Crnr2Crnr said:

 

I'm curious to hear what @taperk600is going to Doo...

 

Spending a day riding a Matryx next week. Definitely not a DOO..... Maybe a RR and a VR1 or XCR ???

Or maybe even really stir things up and take next year off...........I can honestly say I haven't missed not having a sled since selling mine almost a month ago........

That was the point of that........ The XCR is pretty much a given. As is the turbo for the MNT guys....

Price increases and delays on deliveries........well.... we saw what happened this year with some of the deliveries.........