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2 minutes ago, Kivalo said:

I really hope they didn't try and do that sort of thing. That seems like a huge mistake for an engine shop to make and the dealer not to catch.

Well, you don’t just lose 10 mph and a bunch of performance if everything is the same and new, unless something is seriously wrong with the reman and it has low compression already.

Just now, Kivalo said:

Right but this should have the same gears. I assumed they used the old ones but I suppose they could have changed them as well. 

It goes in tomorrow so I guess we'll see what they say.

Assuming everything expect the motor is the same, I wonder if you didn’t get the mag version of the 350.

Just now, Kivalo said:

Yeah something is off. I wondered about gearing but that should be the same exact gears? Honestly the engine seems to run perfectly except it's got less power. 

No different then taking a pickup for instance and putting grocery gears in it vs say 4.10s. Gear ratios make a world of difference and if you prop for one and it happens to be different then what you actually have, it’s no different then putting 35s on a jeep with stock fuel economy gearing. Performance sucks and it will eat gas

2 minutes ago, Kivalo said:

All identical.

Edit: they better be, we paid for it to be the same.

Something sound off. If the engine is running strong and is considered to be in good running condition and not making less then advertised power, I’d suspect something else is going on. If they replaced the gearcase with say an alpha or a bravo, and it was different then the original lower, the gear ratios could be different and you would definitely have to reprop. 

2 minutes ago, Kivalo said:

Thought of that also but frankly that's too much effort. This isn't a high performance ski boat, it's a deckboat that a bunch of teenagers like to goof off on and a bunch of adults like to get drunk on.

Shit it takes, what 5 minutes to swap a prop out? 1 cotter pin, slide it off, put the new one on, and go. If you are looking for general performance then you will sacrifice one metric for the other. It sounds like you want hole shot and midrange pulling power, so I would be looking to prop down a bit. Stainless has its advantages with a boat that big and heavy with that much torque. 

1 minute ago, Kivalo said:

Im not sure of the pitch on the prop, its an aluminum 4 blade. Same one we ran all last year. I'd have to check to get the pitch and the boat is at my mom's. We thought about the prop being the issue but we assumed the new engine was making the same or very similar power to the old one and therefore the prop should be effective. Perhaps we are wrong?

Same original outdrive with the same gear ratio lower unit? Both the original and reman are Mag versions? 

Another option is to have multiple props for various uses. One can be for water sports and pulling power that will give you a good hole shot and midrange power, but slower top speed. This will be a lower pitch prop. The other can be a more performance oriented blade if that’s what you want, that sacrifices hole shot for speed. You can’t have both, there’s always a sacrifice in propping, one way or another. You have to be mindful of selection, dropping 1 pitch increases max rpm 200 or so is the general rule of thumb. One last question, are you running stainless or aluminum? 

2 minutes ago, Kivalo said:

The prop is dinged and I'm sure is contributing but I have wrecked plenty of props in my time and I know for certain it's not the prop.

What’s the max rpm you are running on a light load? Is it in the upper range of max rpm for that 350? If I had to guess that engine is low 5s for max upper rpm range (4800-5200?) 

always shoot for upper rpm with a light load which will bring you to the low end of the max rpm range with some weight in or behind the boat otherwise you will be lugging and losing performance. It sounds like it’s overpropped to me. What prop are you running currently? Diameter and pitch. 
 

does the prop have exhaust venting holes on drilled in the outside diameter of the prop just above the labyrinth seal diameter? 

3 hours ago, Angry ginger said:

true i am just a poor white boy.  thankfully biden is sending me $5600 this week to pay for my new trailer.  thanks to all the ballers here getting nothing for helping support my toy addiction.  

I’m getting 0, you’re welcome! Nice trailer btw!!

37 minutes ago, ACE said:

No 850 etec is known to be a bit of a turd tbh 

Well, not mine or Preston’s. Maybe some are but all cats are for sure bro. 

@ACE

@bussman 800 and his buddies 2020 8000 both saw my 850 doo snow flap across the lake, couldn’t see how many sled lengths behind they were. Also, the 850 etec midrange is significantly better then the cat, it’s not even close. Bottom end Brian’s cat pulls as hard as my xcr did almost, it’s very strong down low. I liked his sled a lot he has it set up great, it just doesn’t fit me well personally. the etec 850 is superior. That’s just the  truth. 

7.5 shapers here with stock 4” outsides on shimmed pilot 5.7s. 129” xrs. The sled rips and handles well. I’ve used shapers on everything I’ve owned and swear by them. They’ve worn great for me, but you have to shim your skis. 

20 hours ago, f7ben said:

I’ve only totaled two and Dons phaser wasn’t actually totaled just sunk 

XLT story is one of my favorites.  

10 minutes ago, awful knawful said:

Matryx is a nice looking sled. Colour combination can make it less attractive.

Red and grey is just not right 

14 hours ago, Jimmy Snacks said:

Returned the CKX Mission Helmet to Dennis Kirk Yesterday as I absolutely could not get the breath deflector to fit correctly...it uses ribbed rubber straps to adjust it and it just wasn’t happening for me...thinking I should have gone with the Titan.👍🏼
 

 

I like my modular 3 a lot fwiw. Obviously heavier and not a moto style but it’s been used a lot and held up very well. 

1 hour ago, awful knawful said:

The xrs are not fast sleds. Tall suspension and big lugs don't top end well.

Poor Ace and his slow ass Cat.

Preston got the X because of that, he wanted more top end. Even changed shocks out for it and did some work. My bone stock sled was side by side with him on the lake lol. 

30 minutes ago, f7ben said:

Yah....just like when your wife suburban beats tuned ecoboosts

The 6.2 is very regarded unlike the cat 800. Might as well have a 5.3 or 4.8 under the hood.

46 minutes ago, ACE said:

Your freak out when my cat beats the 850 will be phenomenal 

I raced 2 800 cats last year for over a mile wide open on a lake and both my 18 xrs and Preston’s 19 X 850 laid the gape to busscarps 19 and his buddies 20. The xrs and X were literally identical, the cats were at least a few sleds behind if not more, I couldn’t tell with all the snow dust behind me. #gape 

1 hour ago, steve from amherst said:

17 xcr 800

Loved that sled. Best one to date that I’ve owned. 

2 hours ago, Anler said:

It's good, not a whole lot of difference. 

Power compared to the 800?

2 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

Its an 800 Etec. She's ridden it but prefers her Vector. She has bad shoulders and the power steering helps her ride ,long days. She's prefers the older style seating position and more planted feel. Says she feels like she's going over the bars on the Doo.

Makes sense. Glad she enjoys riding! My wife is a mixed bag, she likes the short trips in the evenings when we have good snow down south. She doesn’t like the extended weekend trips with big mileage days. 

5 minutes ago, Jimmy Snacks said:

Dude that assault is beautiful. The axys chassis is so badass. You’re going to love it. Congrats. I miss my xcr. 

23 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

My 3 active sleds. I ride the Cat, wife rides the Vector and guests ride the backup Doo.

Inactive, I got a ‘79 SRX and a ‘79 ET300.

Nice lineup. Your wife prefers the vector to the XS doo? 600 or 800 etec? 

11 minutes ago, Anler said:

Today

How do you like the matryx compared to the axys?

27 minutes ago, SSFB said:

‘11 CF 800

That HO Suzuki was the last good cat 800