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6 minutes ago, p51mstg said:

At the same time Polaris brags that the Matryx corners flatter, similar to the Arctic Cats.  They're all trying to steal each others business.  That's the whole point of competition.  None of them are hypocrites, and it wouldn't make any difference if they were.

Haven't seen any poo owner ever say flat cornering was bad or stupid.   Have seen a few cat diehards bag on poo for having a playful chassis that can lift skis by leaning back or corner flat by leaning forward tho....you know, by moving your body around and In turn influencing the sleds manners.

20 minutes ago, Deephaven said:

Sounds legit, ROFL.  "Not the same" only because green blinders make it that way.  It will definitely ride A LOT more like the Poo and Doo than the ProCross.  If not, it'll be a major fail...but they aren't that stupid.

Wait until the cat faithful brag how playful the new chassis is and how your body position can influence the sleds manners.   You know, the same thing they've been saying is stupid in regards to any polaris since 2010

I fucking love reading these threads 

Too bad the cat greats that initially started the development of this were either canned or left due to textron.   This sled will not be released as what was originally intended to be by the guys that started this program.

I wish cat/textron luck but don't have much faith

20 hours ago, krom said:

He hasn't been at AC for a while....

Argo has most of the AC team that designed the 23....
They convince Spaulding, or get an engine supplier...... (Yami dumping AC rumor is still pretty stout)

Yamaha argo partnership rumor seems like it could be legit.   The 23 cat sled has been butchered down By textron so much that most of the brains behind it are jumping ship....the sled that will be released will not be what the cat greats had intended

Another bad day for acat...Joey Hallstrom has left to work at argo.    How are the cat faithful gonna spin this news?

Oh my, ive been around atvs for 28 years and I recall once in my life someone bragging about buying a cat atv...that was a cat brand loyal buddy  who bought a Thundercat around 2008 or so...he quickly changed his tune and bought a polaris 850 xp a couple yrs later and has since only owned polaris dirt products while staying loyal to cat snow product....until 2020 when he switched to a polaris 850 xc.   

19 hours ago, krom said:

Jim is an absolute POS and total moron, who prob doesn't know that the 550, and 600 only share a name, and nothing else is the same. 

As stupid as he is, there is 0 cost benefit to mounting the shocks to the lower upper-arms vs the lower.

There is also 0 difference in ride, or handling because of it.  Its mostly a packaging decision.  FWIW its acutally safer, and considerably less stress on the ball joints when the shock is on the upper arm..  (shock on the lower arm, means the weight of the machine is trying to pull the balljoint apart, while on the upper, its pushing the balljoint together..

If you were referring to a front suspension id agree, however this is the rear suspension and no ball joints to my knowledge as the rear wheels aren't steerable.  By mounting the shock on the upper arm it requires a beefier upper arm as well as a beefy lower arm (rock hits etc).   A longer shock generally means a better ride, longer shock stroke etc.   This whole atv is laid out very odd by using the wildcat transaxle forcing the  positioning of the engine rearward.  

I'm curious of any other serious off road machine that mounts the rear shock to the upper arm?  

You do.realize the new alternative 600 rear suspension shocks are on the upper control arms?  I can't think of any other best in class atv thats mounts the rear shocks this way.   This is completely a cost sensitive move on textrons part, made for low cost, not for performance or best in class ride and handling.

I predict a "me too" quick accessory add on similar to the lock and ride flex from polaris and linq from doo

1 hour ago, krom said:

had 2 customers of ours who got sick of waiting for something new, order a 650.  One was around $17k, it fouled 11 sets of plugs, and left him stranded with a coolant leak.

The other popped an engine under 200 miles into the year.

850 miles on my 21 650 vr1 and it fouled 3 sets of plugs during break in, been good since.  I blame it on my 11yo son taking it for short rips around the yard, everytime a plug fouled was during warmup after he rode it last

45 minutes ago, krom said:

you think @ZR6000RR knows his sled has been sitting outside in a crate for a couple months now, and will continue to sit outside in a crate?

Not his, possibly others.  Its definitely in a climate controlled 24hr surveillance bomb proof building getting personally checked on by security every hour.....his dealer says so 

Double post

On 5/30/2021 at 8:53 PM, Doug said:

When Arctic Cat snowmobiles came back into the sport in 1984 they seemed to work their way to a level to stand on their own.  Seems rather shaky right now.  Was it leadership, lose of what the market wanted, lack of new product development or other issues?

I think what's partially killing them is morons like Jim not Gym ramstad not ramstud.   Who wants to buy a sled risking running into Jim's type in public and having them try to start a conversation with you based on owning the same brand sled?  For me as a customer I'd be fucking embarrassed knowing I paid with my own money for a sled of the same brand ramstad owns and the association that goes along with it.   Its bad enough I am on the same sled forum as him, not sure I could handle him thinking were buddies based on our sled brand

10 minutes ago, krom said:

Argo, Yamaha, and others have tried to buy AC from Textron. 

There are a lot of ex AC at Argo, it started before Textron came along

If you can't "buy" arctic cat then what argo is and has been doing is probably the next smartest thing for them.   Cherry pick their talent, move into their backyard,  work a deal with yamaha,  etc

Cat won't come with their new chassis until doos patent expires on the pyramidal design.  Yammi said fuck that so will go to argo to co develop a sled.  

The building Argo occupies in TRF is merely there for ex Arctic employees that have ties to the area but are fed up with, overworked, underpaid and under appreciated by cat.   It was a great move by argo and yammi, get the knowledge and talent from ex cat employess without paying the price to buy the whole company.   The ex cat employees don't have to relocate to another city, state or country this way.

15 hours ago, krom said:

Didn't yamaha set up a new sled HQ, in Canada?

Guess there is a huge amount of un used square footage....

Its near the main argo factory.   Its the new partnership for yamaha.  Argos gets to use yammi powerplants in their bathtubs with wheels and the joint venture between the 2 will produce sleds.

Yammi is more serious about sledding than textron is so the partnership will dissolve and will allow yammi to pursue more market share in sleds with an Argo partnership 

Its hard to imagine textron doing much with ACAT that is exciting, they are a play it safe conglomerate. I want to see cat succeed but seeing all the good minds either retire, quit or get fired and seeing blind fanboys like ramstad perfectly content with cat where they are its really hard to picture them doing much in the foreseeable future.   Will they continue making the same mouse trap as long as morons like ramstad keep buying and defending them with their wallet, or will they try to gain old customers back and pick up a few new ones?

49 minutes ago, ZR6000RR said:

The dirt line is not included. That has a separate and totally unit per day number. 

So they have endless mfg capacities?   They can build endless amount of sleds/yr?   Pull your head out, take a deep breath and re read my statements!

35 minutes ago, ZR6000RR said:

Bullshit on that one. They can produce 350 sleds a day at full capacity.  A lot of this past year were running 4 10 hour days and switching on the line on the go for different sleds. Supply issues are real.

Regardless of what they did or can do they have a capacity constraint.  They balance that among the dirt product, yammi product and now doo product.   You are so color blind you can't even see reason in anything you see as negative towards cat.

Cat only has mfg capacity to build xx # of units/yr.   They are awaiting final confirmation from doo(120s and 200s) and yammi what number of units they need built.   They'll take those numbers and subtract that from their capacity and that will determine how many units will go to cat customers and dealers

They need the extra time to allow for BRP and yamaha to communicate how many sleds cat will build for them.  Once those details are finalized Cat can determine what capacity they have and can determine to what quantity they can build for there dealers and customers.

13 minutes ago, Palu49 said:

That’s one thing I don’t get about the cat boners hating on textron. All the real bad shit that got AC here happened under the good old boys club leadership.

Like the pro cross

Heard a rumor cat is actively reading ramstads posts on here and based off his positive sentiments they have made the decision to not release any 2023s and instead will keep building 2022s