50 minutes ago, Cold War said:

Used to be that way.  When I was in high school plenty of parents did.  Hell, even my strict catholic parents let us have a party.  They didn’t supply the alcohol, but they knew kids were drinking.  It is a different world now.  A friend of my wife’s was trying to make the “we did it “ argument when justifying buying her son and buddies a bottle.  I told Her ...  you lost your mind if you are going to buy booze for someone else kids.  Taking the keys, everyone is staying here , doesn’t cut it anymore.  
with that said, I believe every parent should introduce their kids to alcohol on their terms, in their home.  Especially if you have a daughter.  

Without drunk daddies we would have no one to work in our strip clubs.

22 hours ago, Highmark said:

Hardly mentioned in their TV broadcasts. 

On a side note from your article.   To quote James Carville.   "Its the economy stupid."

Trump's biggest advantage over Biden in the poll comes on his handling of the economy. Most voters, 54%, say they trust the President to better handle the nation's economy, while 42% say they prefer Biden. 

You really think Biden would be a good President Vince?

I think Biden would be less chaotic than Trump, and he certainly couldn't lie anymore than Trump does.

14 hours ago, DriftBusta said:

aw c'mon Vincenzo...   

Mark, what is Obamagate? It's just another lock her up, and we saw how that went nowhere.

11 hours ago, AKIQPilot said:

Dude. Are you really going to go there?  Is that really all you have to say on the matter?  

He plead guilty, we know this.

14 hours ago, racer254 said:

Another bullshit statement.   Try to buy your kid a drink between the ages of 18 and 21.  God damn I am sick of some of you all knowing fucks that don't really have a fucking clue.

14 hours ago, XCR1250 said:

My wife has/had a Wisconsin's Bartenders License, she says Vince is correct. She hasn't renewed her License for a few years so it may have changed now.

Thank you.

13 hours ago, f7ben said:

You’re dumb as fuck.....

On 5/13/2020 at 10:39 AM, Highmark said:

Keep this in mind.   The POTUS can declassify anything he wants.   The POTUS is the holder of all classified information.   The theory is he is being very careful as to not upset the IC anymore than he has to because he may have to work with them for the next 4.5 years.   If he gets beat there is going to be a document declassification and dump unlike anything the world has ever seen before from Nov 4th to Biden's inauguration.   It would be epic. 

What is Obamagate?

Trump has no explanation

Flynn plead guilty.

50 minutes ago, Ez ryder said:

is this for real? how can MI ban some one from selling a product in there shit hole state ? 

 

The dealers in Michigan many years ago got a law passed where an automobile manufacturer could not sell cars directly to consumers, Tesla is a direct sale manufacturer.

2 hours ago, Laborer said:

I laughed at the kid behind the bar! Start them early I guess! haha

You can legally buy your kid a drink in a Wisconsin bar no matter the kids age, although the bartender does have the right to refuse service is he or she wants to.

27 minutes ago, jdels said:

You're the dumb ass MC.  If you want to stay home then stay home or go join Joe in the basement.  You and those like you no longer have authority or standing to continue this any longer.  We all bought in on the premise it was to keep hospitals from getting overrun, it hasn't and likely won't.  These edicts from the WI governor are no longer.  Take your namby pamby bullshit and keep it in your state.  Here in WI we've had enough.  Your rhetoric is benign, your derangement is real and you have successfully proved yourself a fool.    

The stay at home orders and social distancing were effective in keeping the hospitals from being overun, now we get to see what happens with opening up, I'm hoping it all turns out good seeing I have plans to be in NE Wisconsin next month.....so don't fuck it up cheeseheads!!!

I saw this yesterday, what's downplayed?  

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CNN Poll: Biden tops Trump nationwide, but battlegrounds tilt Trump

By Jennifer Agiesta, CNN Polling Director

 

Updated 12:04 PM ET, Wed May 13, 2020

 

(CNN)Presumptive Democratic nominee Joe Biden's lead over President Donald Trump now stands at five points, but Trump has an edge in the critical battleground states that could decide the electoral college, according to a new CNN poll conducted by SSRS.

In the new poll, 51% of registered voters nationwide back Biden, while 46% say they prefer Trump, while in the battlegrounds, 52% favor Trump and 45% Biden. Partisans are deeply entrenched in their corners, with 95% of Democrats behind Biden and the same share of Republicans behind Trump. The two are close among independents (50% back Trump, 46% Biden, not a large enough difference to be considered a lead), but Biden's edge currently rests on the larger share of voters who identify as Democrats.

The former vice president continues to hold healthy leads among women (55% Biden to 41% Trump) and people of color (69% Biden to 26% Trump). The two run more closely among men (50% Trump to 46% Biden) and the President holds a clear edge among whites (55% Trump to 43% Biden). The poll suggests Biden outpaces Trump among voters over age 45 by a 6-point margin, while the two are near even among those under age 45 (49% Biden to 46% Trump).

Though other recent polling has shown some signs of concern for Biden among younger voters and strength among older ones, few have pegged the race as this close among younger voters. The results suggest that younger voters in the battleground states are tilted in favor of Trump, a stark change from the last CNN poll in which battleground voters were analyzed in March, even as other demographic groups shifted to a smaller degree. Given the small sample size in that subset of voters, it is difficult to determine with certainty whether the movement is significant or a fluke of random sampling. Nationally, Biden holds a lead over Trump among voters age 65 and older, a group which has been tilted Republican in recent presidential elections.

Trump's biggest advantage over Biden in the poll comes on his handling of the economy. Most voters, 54%, say they trust the President to better handle the nation's economy, while 42% say they prefer Biden. An earlier release from the same CNN poll found the public's ratings of the economy at their worst level since 2013, as a growing share said the economic damage wrought by the coronavirus outbreak could be permanent. But Biden does have the advantage as more trusted to handle the response to the coronavirus outbreak (51% Biden to 45% Trump) and health care (54% Biden to 42% Trump).

Voters divide over which of the two has the stamina and sharpness to be president (49% say Trump, 46% Biden), a frequent attack Trump levels against the former vice president. But Biden outpaces Trump across five other tested attributes. His advantage is largest on which candidate would unite the country and not divide it (55% say Biden would, 38% Trump), followed by being honest and trustworthy (53% choose Biden, 38% Trump). Biden is seen as caring more about people like you (54% Biden vs. 42% Trump), better able to manage government effectively (52% Biden to 45% Trump) and more trusted in a crisis (51% Biden to 45% Trump).

A majority of Americans say they have an unfavorable view of the President (55%) while fewer feel negatively about Biden (46%). Among the 14% of registered voters who say they have a negative impression of both Trump and Biden, the former vice president is the clear favorite in the presidential race: 71% say they would vote for Biden, 19% for Trump. Michigan Rep. Justin Amash, who announced he is exploring a run for the presidency on the Libertarian ticket, is unknown to 80% of Americans, and is viewed more unfavorably (13%) than favorably (8%).

As Biden's campaign moves closer to the selection of a vice presidential running mate, 38% of Democratic voters say choosing a candidate who brings racial and ethnic diversity to the Democratic ticket is one of the top two traits they'd like to see in Biden's choice, 34% name executive experience as a top-two trait, 32% say bringing ideological balance to the ticket is one of their top two criteria, and 31% say representing the future of the Democratic Party is that important. Proven appeal to swing voters and legislative experience were top tier for about a quarter of voters.

Among Democratic voters of color, 43% say racial and ethnic diversity is one of their top two most important traits, topping all others by 11 points. Among white Democratic voters, diversity and executive experience are about even at the top of the list.

Biden has said he will choose a woman as his vice president. Although several of the possible contenders are unknown to sizable chunks of the population, , five of the women widely considered to be on his list of potential choices -- including three of Biden's former 2020 rivals -- are far more liked than disliked among Democratic voters, according to the poll.

Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren fares best, viewed favorably by 69% of Democratic voters and unfavorably by 19%. California Sen. Kamala Harris is also viewed positively by a majority of Democrats (59% favorable vs. 15% unfavorable). Minnesota Sen. Amy Klobuchar is viewed favorably by 49% of Democratic voters, unfavorably by 15%. Stacey Abrams, the Democratic nominee for governor of Georgia in 2018, is seen favorably by 43% of Democrats while 11% have an unfavorable view. Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer is the least widely known of this group, with 63% of Democratic voters saying they haven't heard of her or don't yet have an opinion of her, but those who do largely tilt positive, 29% favorable to 9% unfavorable.

The CNN Poll was conducted by SSRS May 7-10 among a random national sample of 1,112 adults reached on landlines or cellphones by a live interviewer, including 1,001 registered voters and 583 voters in battleground states, defined as the 15 states decided by 8 points or less in 2016 -- Arizona, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Maine, Michigan, Minnesota, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Virginia and Wisconsin. Results for the full sample have a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3.7 percentage points.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/13/politics/cnn-poll-2020/index.html

 

My toothbrush does not have feces on it!! 

Now @Momorider toothbrush I would spot a hundo at 10-1 that fucking thing is loaded with shit.

It's always a battle between Alaska and WIsconsin for the #1 alcoholic state in the union, I think Wisconsin needs to be crowned the undisputed champion now!! Bottoms up and Hail to the Tavern League
 

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'OPEN IMMEDIATELY!': Wisconsinites head out to bars after state stay-at-home orders lifted

After the Wisconsin Supreme Court struck down the state's stay-at-home order, which immediately lifted restrictions on businesses and gatherings, some bars opened their doors (and taps) Wednesday night as patrons began trickling out. 

The ruling applied to Gov. Tony Evers' statewide order to lock down Wisconsin amid the public health emergency of the coronavirus pandemic. Evers intended to keep the order in place until May 26. However, localities are still imposing and extending their own stay-at-home orders, meaning not all businesses in the state may immediately open.

Photos showed small gatherings of Wisconsinites out at bars and restaurants shortly after the ruling came down, while some establishments posted on social media they were staying closed.

What bars in Wisconsin were like Wednesday night

More than a dozen people had flocked to State Street Pub in Green Bay by 7 p.m. Wednesday. Owner Tera Hansen chose to open as soon as she could, and people started dropping in without any kind of announcement on social media.

At Lenny's Tap, about a mile and a half away, four employees wearing masks served about 20 patrons who stopped by for a drink. Owner Marty Leonhard said the bar's beer distributor had already delivered two shipments by 8 p.m.

Nick's, a bar in Platteville, posted a photo and video on Twitter of two dozen or so patrons at the bar. 

The Tavern League of Wisconsin, a trade association of alcoholic beverage retailers in the state, posted on Facebook shortly after the ruling that, while guidelines should be followed, "you can OPEN IMMEDIATELY!"

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/open-immediately-wisconsinites-head-out-to-bars-after-state-stay-at-home-orders-lifted/ar-BB144Lhn

 

One of my faves from my playlist, this a real clean live recording 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKJOylEoDB4

11 hours ago, Woodtick said:

It all being done in one of the most corrupt counties in the country. Using a test that doesn’t have to be sent to a lab. Nothing on the media showing lines of people anywhere. Plenty of people asking to be tested and nobody can tell them where to go?

Plenty of places to get tested now, if you want to know where to go look at the list. One of my guys wife got tested a few weeks ago, somebody told her where to go, and now somebody is telling you where you can go....to get tested that is 

https://abc7chicago.com/where-to-find-coronavirus-testing-in-chicago-area/6044390/

1 hour ago, Zambroski said:

I’m surprised because of the dem cheating going on to wrongly win the elections in the state.

38 minutes ago, racer254 said:

I don't think people realize how much political crap is happening in Wisconsin.

Trump won the district by 20 points, the win for any republican should be nothing less than a slam dunk.

2 minutes ago, BOHICA said:

Illinois had the largest number of cases in the entire US by a large Margin...  Largest increase of cases in Illinois was yesterday.

What part of math don't you understand?

Testing on Monday increased by 30% over the previous high on the May 8th, of course the number of positives went up, and as testing ramps up to 50,000 a day the number of positives will go up.

@f7ben is bohica on your list of dullards? 

52 minutes ago, racer254 said:

Despite the shenanigans, Tom Tiffany still won the election.

https://www.businessinsider.com/wisconsins-7th-congressional-district-special-election-live-results-2020-5

For a republican to win the 7th isn't much of an accomplishment, it should be an automatic win.

47 minutes ago, Zambroski said:

I’ve been getting the commercials here.  He was running against a bitter liberal.  I’m a bit surprised he won.

Most rural, least populated part of the state, and you're surprised?

35 minutes ago, BOHICA said:

Flatten, risen...  same same I guess depending on who tells ya.

 

think Chicago will lead again today on having the most cases in the US

The is state has increased testing dramatically, 29,266 tests were done on Monday the previous high for single day testing was 20,671 test on May 8th. The state plans on increasing that to 50,000 tests a day in the next couple of weeks, the math dictates as you test more you will see an increase in positive results, the math also allows you to determine whether the numbers are rising, flattening, or decreasing.

MATH

10 hours ago, BOHICA said:

Leads for the day out of all the US!  Wonder if it is from all those parties going on

https://wgntv.com/news/coronavirus/illinois-reports-over-4000-new-coronavirus-cases-biggest-rise-to-date-as-testing-expands/

If you would have listened to JB you have heard that the numbers have flattened, which JB states and anyone with any capable thought process would surmise as good news.

19 hours ago, Anler said:

MAGA!

I hope they threw away that basket of masks was speaking over

On 5/8/2020 at 9:39 AM, XCR1250 said:

We had 23* this morning, crazy cold for this time of year. Only 34* now.

Hey it's cold in my backyard

This is a must read.

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In the early days of the pandemic, the U.S. government turned down an offer to manufacture millions of N95 masks in America

It was Jan. 22, a day after the first case of covid-19 was detected in the United States, and orders were pouring into Michael Bowen’s company outside Fort Worth, some from as far away as Hong Kong.

Bowen’s medical supply company, Prestige Ameritech, could ramp up production to make an additional 1.7 million N95 masks a week. He viewed the shrinking domestic production of medical masks as a national security issue, though, and he wanted to give the federal government first dibs.

“We still have four like-new N95 manufacturing lines,” Bowen wrote that day in an email to top administrators in the Department of Health and Human Services. “Reactivating these machines would be very difficult and very expensive but could be achieved in a dire situation.” 

But communications over several days with senior agency officials — including Robert Kadlec, the assistant secretary for preparedness and emergency response — left Bowen with the clear impression that there was little immediate interest in his offer.

“I don’t believe we as an government are anywhere near answering those questions for you yet,” Laura Wolf, director of the agency’s Division of Critical Infrastructure Protection, responded that same day.

Bowen persisted.

“We are the last major domestic mask company,” he wrote on Jan. 23. “My phones are ringing now, so I don’t ‘need’ government business. I’m just letting you know that I can help you preserve our infrastructure if things ever get really bad. I’m a patriot first, businessman second.”

In the end, the government did not take Bowen up on his offer. Even today, production lines that could be making more than 7 million masks a month sit dormant.

Bowen’s overture was described briefly in an 89-page whistleblower complaint filed this week by Rick Bright, former director of the Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority. Bright alleges he was retaliated against by Kadlec and other officials — including being reassigned to a lesser post — because he tried to “prioritize science and safety over political expediency.” HHS has disputed his allegations.

Emails show Bright pressed Kadlec and other agency leaders on the issue of mask shortages — and Bowen’s proposal specifically — to no avail. On Jan. 26, Bright wrote to a deputy that Bowen’s warnings “seem to be falling on deaf ears.”

That day, Bowen sent Bright a more direct warning.

“U.S. mask supply is at imminent risk,” he wrote. “Rick, I think we’re in deep s---,” he wrote a day later.

The story of Bowen’s offer illustrates a missed opportunity in the early days of the pandemic, one laid out in Bright’s whistleblower complaint, interviews with Bowen and emails provided by both men.

Within weeks, a shortage of masks was endangering health-care workers in hard-hit areas across the country, and the Trump administration was scrambling to buy more masks — sometimes placing bulk orders with third-party distributors for many times the standard price. President Trump came under pressure to use extraordinary government powers to force private industry to ramp up production.

In a statement, White House economic adviser and coronavirus task force member Peter Navarro said: “The company was just extremely difficult to work and communicate with. This was in sharp contrast to groups like the National Council of Textile Organizations and companies like Honeywell and Parkdale Mills, which have helped America very rapidly build up cost effective domestic mask capacity measuring in the hundreds of millions.”

Carol Danko, an HHS spokeswoman, declined to comment on the offer by Bowen and other allegations raised in the whistleblower complaint. Wolf also declined to comment on the whistleblower complaint.

A senior U.S. government official with knowledge of the offer said Bowen, 62, has a “legitimate beef.”

“He was prescient, really,” the official said, speaking on the condition of anonymity to describe internal deliberations. “But the reality is [HHS] didn’t have the money to do it at that time.”

Another HHS official, also speaking on the condition of anonymity, said: “There is a process for putting out contracts. It wasn’t as fast as anyone wanted it to be.”

Two decades ago, the low-slung factory in Texas was part of a supply conglomerate that produced almost 9 in 10 medical and surgical masks used in the United States.

Bowen was a new product specialist at the plant back then, and he watched as industry consolidations and outsourcing shifted control of the plant from Tecnol Medical Products to Kimberly-Clark and then shuttered it altogether. In less than a decade, almost 90 percent of all U.S. mask production had moved out of the country, according to government reports at the time.

Bowen and Dan Reese, a former executive at Tecnol, went into business together in 2005 and eventually bought the plant, believing a market remained for a dedicated domestic manufacturer of protective gear.

In wake of the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, Congress appropriated $6 billion to buy antidotes to bioweapons and the medical supplies the country would need in public health disasters. An obscure new government organization called the Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority, or BARDA, was among the agencies purchasing material for what would become the Strategic National Stockpile.

Bowen began studying BARDA, attending its industry conferences and searching for a way in to press his case.

In the parlance of BARDA, Bowen was seeking a “warm base” contract. The government would pay a premium to have masks manufactured domestically, but his company would keep its extra factory lines in working order, meaning production could be ramped up in an emergency.

Bowen said he soon concluded that BARDA’s focus was trained elsewhere, on billion-dollar deals to induce manufacturing of vaccines for the most exotic disasters, such as weaponized attacks with anthrax or smallpox.

Still, as Bowen moved down the supply chain, appealing directly to hospitals to buy his domestic-made masks, his sales pitch often ended with a plea to call BARDA.

Bowen often carried PowerPoint slides from a 2007 presentation by BARDA and its parent division at HHS, the Office of the Assistant Secretary for Preparedness and Response. One had a table showing that, in the event of a pandemic, the country would need 5.3 billion N95 respirator masks, 50 times more than the number in the stockpile. The presentation concluded: “Industrial surge capacity of [respiratory protection devices] will not be able to meet need and supplies will be short during a pandemic.”

Bowen said he felt like a voice in the wilderness.

“The world just looked at me as a mask salesman who was saying the sky was falling,” he said, “and they would say, ‘Your competitors aren’t saying that in China.’ ”

After Trump’s election, Bowen hoped the new president’s America-first mentality might trickle down to operations like his. He wrote a letter to Trump and addressed it to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue: “90% of the United States protective mask supply is currently FOREIGN MADE!” it began.

“I didn’t think Trump would read it, but I thought someone would and take note,” Bowen said.

He also called Bright, who had been appointed to lead BARDA just before Trump took office. “In 14 years of doing this, there have been maybe four people in government who I felt like really understood this issue,” Bowen said. “Rick was one of them.”

In Trump’s first year, however, Bowen grew newly disillusioned. During a week that the White House touted its “Buy American, Hire American” initiative, Bowen lost a military contract worth up to $1 million, to a supplier that would make many of the masks in Mexico, he said.

“Shame on the Department of Defense! One of these days the US military will need America’s manufacturers to help win another war or fight another pandemic — and they will not exist,” Bowen wrote on Aug. 17, 2017, to Maj. Gen. Jeffrey Clark, a senior official with the Pentagon’s Defense Health Agency.

Clark, who retired last year, did not respond to a message seeking comment.

Proposal to produce goes nowhere

For Bowen, the first signs of trouble came in mid-January. Online orders through his company’s website, typically totaling maybe $2,000 a year and accounting for only a fraction of his business, suddenly skyrocketed to almost $700,000 in a few days.

On Jan. 20, Bowen also fielded a call from the Department of Homeland Security, urgently seeking masks for airport screeners. Bowen said he did not have masks in stock to fill the order, but the call led him to contact Bright to tell him about the surge in demand for masks. “Is this virus going to be problematic?” Bowen wrote.

Inside HHS, Bright quickly passed Bowen’s on-the-ground observations to a group that included Wolf, the director of the agency’s Division of Critical Infrastructure Protection.

“Can you please reach out to Mike Bowen below? He is a great partner and a really good source for helpful information,” Bright wrote on Jan. 21.

“Thanks Rick,” she replied. “We are tracking and have begun to coordinate with fda, niosh, and manufacturers today. More to follow tomorrow. Thinking about masks, gowns (inc those in shortage), gloves, and eye protection.”

Within a day, Bowen sent an email to Wolf laying out what Prestige could do. The company’s four mothballed manufacturing lines could be restarted with large noncancelable orders, he wrote.

“This is NOT something we would ever wish to do and have NO plans to do it on our own,” he wrote. “I’m simply letting you know that in a dire situation, it could be done.”

Over the next three days, Bowen kept HHS officials informed as orders for a million masks came in from intermediaries for buyers in China and Hong Kong. On Jan. 26, he sent the email warning that the U.S. mask supply was at “imminent risk.”

Bright forwarded it that day to Kadlec and others, urging action: “We have been watching and receiving warnings on this for over a week,” he wrote.

The next day, Bright wrote to his deputy asking him to explore whether BARDA could divert money earmarked for vaccines and other biodefense measures to instead buy masks.

From his end, Bowen said his proposal seemed to be going nowhere. “No one at HHS ever did get back to me in a substantive way,” Bowen said.

The senior U.S. official said Bowen’s idea was considered, but funding could not easily be obtained without diverting it from other projects.

Bowen started talking to reporters about the mask shortage in general terms. He was soon invited to appear on former Trump adviser Stephen K. Bannon’s podcast: “War Room: Pandemic.”

On the Feb. 12 podcast, the two commiserated over the beleaguered state of U.S. manufacturing. “What I’ve been saying since 2007 is, ‘Guys, I’m warning you, here’s what is going to happen, let’s prepare,’ ” Bowen said on the program. “Because if you call me after it starts, I can’t help everybody.”

Bowen said Bannon put him in touch with Navarro, the White House economic adviser.

Navarro was quick to see the problem, Bowen said. After talking with Navarro, Bowen wrote to Bright that he should soon expect a call from the White House, “I’m pretty sure that my mask supply message will be heard by President Trump this week,” Bowen wrote. “Trump insider reading yesterday’s Wired.com article, the ball is screaming toward your court.”

According to Bright’s complaint, he soon began attending White House meetings and helping Navarro write memos describing the supply of masks as a top issue. Emails and memos attached to the complaint show Bright reporting back to Kadlec and others about his work with Navarro.

None of it turned the tide for Bowen.

Nearly a month after his emailed offer, Bowen received his first formal communication about possibly helping to bolster the U.S. supply. The five-page form letter from the Food and Drug Administration — one Bowen said he suspected was sent to many manufacturers — asked how his company could help with what was by then a “national emergency response” to the shortage of protective gear.

Bowen responded on Feb. 16, by firing off a terse email to FDA and HHS officials. He directed the agencies to a U.S. government website listing approved foreign manufacturers of medical masks. “There you’ll find a long list of . . . approved Chinese respirator companies,” he wrote. “Please send your long list of questions to them.”

In March, Bowen submitted a bid to supply masks to the Federal Emergency Management Agency, which by then had taken over purchasing.

The government soon spent over $600 million on contracts involving masks. Big companies like Honeywell and 3M were each awarded contracts totaling for over $170 million for protective gear. One distributor of tactical gear — a company with no history of procuring medical equipment — was awarded a $55 million deal to provide masks for as much as $5.50 a piece, eight times what the government was paying months earlier.

On April 7, FEMA awarded Prestige a $9.5 million contract to provide a million N95 masks a month for one year, an order the company could fulfill without activating its dormant manufacturing lines. For the masks, Prestige charged the government 79 cents a piece.

Jon Swaine, Robert O’Harrow Jr. and Rachel Siegel contributed to this report.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/in-the-early-days-of-the-pandemic-the-us-government-turned-down-an-offer-to-manufacture-millions-of-n95-masks-in-america/ar-BB13Qqsv

 

Perfect.

15 minutes ago, irv said:

So you still believe in it, Vince? Speaking of grapefruits. 

11 minutes ago, BOHICA said:

Global shutdown for weeks and months and CO2 levels in the air sets records!!!

Why don't you grapefruits try reading something that is actually scientific.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-co2-isnt-falling-more-during-a-global-lockdown/

Being an optimist I have to say that for the most part I agree with him on the job market rebound, where he says very soon, I say they will soon start rising steadily.

Video at the link.

https://video.foxbusiness.com/v/6155256114001/#sp=show-clips

20 minutes ago, BOHICA said:

Despite lockdowns, airplanes grounded, cars parked, people staying home, stores closed, cruise ships parked, cargo ships docked or anchored and such why did CO2 levels in the atmosphere set records???  So much for man made CO2 levels in the atmosphere....

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/05/05/another-record-we-should-not-be-breaking-daily-average-co2-levels-hits-high-41812

13 minutes ago, racer254 said:

Will this finally prove the MMGW hoax for what it is?

9 minutes ago, irv said:

No, the alarmists are so deep into this cult they still believe MMGW is real despite one of the very own, in Michael Moore, exposing the truth to them.

It's just like MC, who gets his news from CNN, MSNB and the New York Times, and despite what is right in front of him currently, still thinks those media sources are/were telling him the truth and are unbiased.

As they say, it is easier to fool someone than it is to convince them they have been fooled. 

Add up the IQ for the three of you and it doesn't equal that of a grapefruit.

17 hours ago, Anler said:

And how many trillions were lent to the repo markets since sept of last year? Was that a measure of great success and financial excellence? 

I don't think so.

17 hours ago, DriftBusta said:

The growth was tepid until Trump got in and announced his stimulus.  You guys keep arguing that giving tax breaks during times like this is wrong, and thats an opinion held by some.  Its not held by all.  See Art Laffer.   But Trump gave the middle class a well needed break and lower rates stimulated the business community.  The economy took off and tax revenues increased.  Have an opinion fine, but quit acting like your opinions are facts. 

Trump stepped into a tailwind economy, growth started in 2009 and we know this as it's a fact, below shows the delta between 2009 and June 2016.

Trump gets sworn in 01/17 and we get a tax cut that really helped out the truly wealthy (people with fuck you money), was a bump for the upper middle class and was a trickle for the working class, and all the while he exploded the nation's debt which has only been exacerbated by the pandemic, Trump has left a pile of debt that future admins and working people will have to pay for.

Fred left the Donald with $450M, which he proceeded to invest in casinos which eventually went BK, Donald inherited a tailwind from Fred and from the country, the results have not been good by any measure.

The tax revenue increase, yes from the tariffs which all Americans paid for especially those on the lower economic rung of the ladder.

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Consider the following:

• Since the 4th quarter of the 2008, America's Gross Domestic Product (GDP) stood at $14.2 trillion. GDP is $18.2 trillion today.
• Unemployment has fallen from a recession peak of 10 percent to 5 percent today.
• The stock market has tripled since its 2009 low.
• Oil and gas prices are one-half to one-third of their peak prices in 2008.
• Median and average home prices are now above their 2007 peak at $321,100 and $379,800, respectively.
• Household net worth hit $86.8 trillion in the fourth quarter of 2015, well above the 2007 peak of $66.5 trillion.
• https://www.cnbc.com/2016/06/02/mitch-mcconnell-is-wrong-about-the-economy-commentary.html