jdsky

Cat agrees and held off on that new chassis because you know, no modern chassis needed because trails are always smooth.....I suppose no new performance motor next season because, only 600s or smaller are actually needed.....

If anyone is just dying to ride one of those old buckboard style chassis I know where you can pickup a 700 sabre cat for less than the price of a new zr120.  

Feel bad for yami and 2024.  Just how many versions of a sidewinder does their need to be?

9 minutes ago, Palu49 said:

Just checking in to make sure you mean this will make people switch from Doo because Doo still can’t figure it out? Even their 600s don’t last around here. Big bore etecs are 4000ish mile motors and 600s are 5-6k life expectancy. At least the Ctecs are 300 OR 15k mile motors and polaris guys don’t act like their 4-5k mile big bores are bulletproof 

I really don't give two shits if anyone changes brands but if cat builds better products people will buy them.  Too many diehard cat fanatics have argued for too many years that cat has the perfect product lineup - see dumstad.  Poo has improved their products a shit ton over the past half decade and their sales reflect that.

None of this has anything to do with how many miles a given rider can put on a 2 smoker before it smokes.  My 600's had zero issues ever.  Even my fucking old as dirt 98' ZR died only because my son decided to launch it onto a solid pile of ice that he thought was snow.  I call total bullshit on any 600's failing early these days unless user fucking error.  Big bore smokers?  YMMV regardless of brand so again, not the reason anyone is buying one manufacturer over the other. 

4 minutes ago, Palu49 said:

You can’t win over Doo riders they’re a cult following that refuse to try anything else. 

Poo has already won over more than a few and it shows in their sales numbers.  There's been by far more new poos on our trails over the last couple of years than anything else.  

57 minutes ago, Boonbocker1 said:

I said it before, Cat needs to stop focusing on Polaris and go after trying to win over the doo buyers.  Thats their best chance of success.

Agree with this for a couple of reasons.  Poo still won't release their turbo 4 stroke and Doo riders that still have not switched to Poo by now are likely not going to so open season for cat.  

But cat has a shitload of work to do first and most of it is going to take years.  They need a proven reliable performance 2 stroke.  If it lands next season it will take at least 2-3 more seasons to prove to everyone that it is the real deal and reliable.  They need to purpose build the catalyst for the Yami engine i.e better balanced overall than it is in the PC chassis.  That's if they still have the option to sell it moving forward.  The drive train needs to be bullet proof reliable with zero issues.  No clutching problems, no drive bearing problems, no issues with the new belt drive, period.  

If they can get these things ironed out I think they can take sales away from doo.

Oh, and the big one.  If their sleds are going to be the most expensive options on the market they have to better in every single way.

11 hours ago, krom said:

Another $500.. 

Where's the rebate???

You keep posting this as if it's a bad thing.  Since when is having leftover sleds at the end of the season bad for customers?  Pre-scamdemic everyone expected leftovers and an option to score a new sled at a good price.  In low snow years there were just more models to choose from and at even deeper discounts.

Dealers can sell their shit for whatever price they want to.

2 hours ago, mnstang said:

Oh so now all the internet commentators are up in arms about something someone saw on a freaking demo sled.  

For most it's just commentary about an unbiased review.  Not just fans blowing about what a gamechanger it is.  The orders are in and production will be starting soon.  The runway to fix remaining issues is getting shorter by the day.

It's good cat finally brought a modern chassis to market.  It's not good that it only comes in a warmed over 600.  It's not good that it is now the most expensive option of the three manufacturers.  It's not good that supply is so limited that it sold out in minutes.  

8 minutes ago, ZR6000RR said:

These are pre-production, Engineering sleds. They ride them, test them to find issues. They don't do it the Polaris way. Recall them and slap on stop rides because the forgot to test them.

Except you rode the same fuckin' demo sleds and said they were all perfect.  Completely flawless.  Bestest things on snow ever to be dreamed up and of course only cat could do something so tremendously stupendous.  Fucking Dipshit.

dumstad is the rider on the left....

1 minute ago, Crnr2Crnr said:

and inevitable break downs...

No shit.  Some of the best stories for us involve a 97' cougar.  It was a sled my brother would loan out to buddies coming with us on trips back in those days.  It was wrecked so many times we lost count.  Always something epic.  That sled got towed back a bunch but also just kept on running. 

That 550 liquid zuk was a runner but we could not keep drive bearings in that sled due to all the wrecks.  Based on all the late 90's stuff we still see on the trails I'm sure someone is out there somewhere still putting miles on it.

42 minutes ago, racinfarmer said:

Depends on how you ride them. 

I did a 90 mile round trip on the Trailcat and made it fun. 

The cleats kept it interesting being able to powerslide corners WFO with 340cc's of worn out fury and keep it pinned until the next corner.  Should have blown it up that day.  Wish I had a way to data log how I rode that day!

The ride I did this year was place bets on breakdowns, ride 5-8 miles, have a drink, repeat until you were back where you started.  Fun times at 15mph.

No 90 mile rides on those for me anymore.  We just sold the last of our vintage machines a couple weeks ago.  79' 5500.  503cc of air cooled awesome.  I could definitely ride it down the road and back or across the fields but on the trails?  I would be laid up for a few weeks recovering.  Messed my back up several years ago and if not for modern suspensions sledding wouldn't even be in the cards anymore. 

Looking at the machines we used to ride is great nostalgia though.  Mostly for the stories surrounding those rides.

For me looking at vintage sleds on the trails or stops is interesting and cool, riding them not so much.

9 hours ago, ZR6000RR said:

Anger management might save your life. I ordered. Logistics is shipping. Fuck you are an asshole!

Go back to jerking off to your order confirmation shit for brains.

1 hour ago, krom said:

Yeah, because its unheard of, for rebates to have fine print....

Read the fucking price sheet I posted, and point out the logistics fee.

 

Jeebus H Christ.  It's not a fucking rebate, it's a dealer discount.

Cut and paste right off the website....  I'll even bold the important word for you.

3 hours ago, awful knawful said:

What ya looking for?

Rider in our group has been waiting years to replace his 07'.  Looking like he will order a 600r. 

4 hours ago, krom said:

Can you even take a piss on your own without help??  I already gave you links to a couple of them?

I called them.  Just like anything read the fuckin' fine print.  Also, you forgot the part where you said it was a $2000 rebate which is completely different from UP to $2K off.  I said there were no fucking factory rebates and you just kept on a arguing. 

Just like when you stated Cat was not charging any fucking logistics fee.  It was right there on their website.

1 minute ago, awful knawful said:

Technical partnership

RED BULL POWER TRAINS.

You're not right......

 

There's others but its not worth the fight.  I still have calls in to dealers out East trying to find one offering a $2K rebate.

28 minutes ago, p51mstg said:

@jdsky - I apologize for sounding like I was being sarcastic.  I mean it, if someone can tell me how to get on their list for a demo, I'm interested and have been trying to do that for a very long time.

My dealer, that sells all brands but cat now, had a demo sled that anyone could take out.  Not a guided ride but head out on the trail and take it for a rip.  This was not the very first season but the following.  Anyone could stop by and take it out. 

The problem over the past couple of years has been lack of floor stock but the best way to ride the poo chassis is to call around and find a dealer that will let you take one out.  If that does not work there is always the rental route.  Rider from TX in our group rents every season and this year he rented a VR1 650 after renting various doo's over the years.  The 650 is an incredibly strong motor and top end is surprising.  It should be an interesting side by side run with the catalyst.  

1 minute ago, ZR6000RR said:

I have ridden it. You have not. Objective is not even in your vocabulary. 

At least you got one thing right in this post.  You did ride it and it was the worst fucking thing cat could have ever have done to promote their new chassis.

4 minutes ago, p51mstg said:

Those who still can are the ones who need to be riding the production Catalyst, and then share their opinions to settle this.

This is exactly what poo did with the launch of their chassis.  They quickly got it in the hands of riders from other brands that could sing the praises of poo engineering.  It worked, because they have sold a shit load of sleds not only to diehard poo fans but also the cat and doo riders.

20 minutes ago, Ziemann said:

How many guys are going to walk in to a dealer and buy because of those features?

Ride, handling, price, fit/finish, seating position, available options, reliability.....are what the average rider is looking for. No Polaris or Ski-Doo customer is going to switch brands and gain Cat marketshare because the Catalyst has belt drive or progressive steering. 

Again- Catalyst will appeal to cat customers. Sales will be up, but marketshare will remain unchanged.... It's a "Me too" sled with nothing innovative to bring back old Cat customers that they have been hemorrhaging for years....

Spot on.  The catalyst could have been anything and spring orders would have sold out in minutes.  Finally after so many years it just needed to be new and different so that all of the fans still riding old shit would finally get excited to buy a new sled.  Extremely limited supply just added to the illusion that this must be a game changer for sure Ole.  

What will be far more important to their business is what happens with the spring releases in 5 or 10 years from now.

5 minutes ago, p51mstg said:

Okay, so I think we have settled on bng for Yamaha.  Maybe Cat should hire the 3 last Yamaha snow employees and give them visas to work in TRF.  That would ensure Cat gets better graphics next year.

And I found something else we can argue about:

Why Launch Control on production snowmobiles?  I can’t see any practical application for it.  Ski Doo is putting this on their fastest sled, not an actual race sled.  Other than leaving trenches all over groomed trails, it’s a novelty, imo.  I don’t get it, why did they spend time and money on this?

Entirely just to piss off cat fanciers on internet forums.  Next season it will be available on a thunderchicken and then it will not only be the best thing to have on a sled but we can find out that cat really invented it and everyone else copied them.

What's funny is everyone thinking people are mad.  I'm not mad, just trying to get this place back on track with the old HCS days.  

For fuck sake, everyone has gone so soft.  Anytime the manufacturer's announce there is no better opportunity to pick their shit apart and definitely nothing compares to a brand new decade late to the party chassis that is a GAMECHANGER to do that. 

2 minutes ago, stinkipinki said:

You only call it dumb because it COMPLETELY DESTROYS your argument and you have nothing to retaliate with.

All you had to say was you are right jd....