NaturallyAspirated

Just now, f7ben said:

it would have to overcome them to have any calculated effect on FDR ....it would technically have to overcome the belt of the track as well 

Incorrect, as the discussion agreed last time the track is not the finale point we measure FDR from.  It was the drivers, remember?

Neal

3 minutes ago, AKIQPilot said:

You still can't provide an answer.  

Use your formula and show us what the difference is.  You are the one claiming lug height has an effect.  Prove it by using your formula and 3" lugs compared to any other lug height you chose.  

And neither can you.

You use it, you are the one who demands it!

I choose to prove it by logical discussion, as the maths and measurements far exceed anything I'm (or anyone else here) is capable of.

Neal

Just now, f7ben said:

the premise of the flicking lug is sounds .....its impact on final drive ratio is not sound though.....there is no way if it does exist it could overcome the lugs in contact with the ground 

Why would it have to overcome them?  The energy can be dissipated in other portions of the drive system.

This is where the discussion headed into the twisting of shafts, stretching of chain, and belt breaking all changing the FDR.

Neal

Just now, AKIQPilot said:

100% 

Of course I can answer that question but it has nothing what so ever to do with lug height.  The fact that you would even mention shafts turning shows your desperation.  

 

You still cant prove your point with the formula you dreamed up.  3" lugs compared to zero lugs.  How much further will the sled move with one revolution of the driven clutch.  That should be easy for you.  

When you can't provide an answer it will prove you are wrong and that lug height has no bearing on drive ratio.  

It does indeed have to do with it, which is why I asked the question.

I gave you a formula long ago in the original discussion, it's up you to measure/determine variables.

It isn't easy, it's a massively complex and difficult problem to calculate, of which the results have no real world application.

No it won't, it will prove that you still don't understand the point.  

Neal

Just now, motonoggin said:

^this is the problem with white men in particular. Even when they agree they have to disagree. 

Everyone who says lug height doesn't change final drive ratio is correct. 

But one guy wants to be the 'most correct' and will stubbornly parse language until people tire of it. Even though he agrees with the original proposition. Note the 'theoretical' qualifier. 

This isn't just a Neal thing, it is very common amongst white men in particular, and humans in general. It's in no way 'theoretical'. This is from decades of observation of the subjects in their natural habitat. 

I agree 100%

In my original post on the topic I stated that specifically. There is no real world application to lug height changing FDR calculations that need be considered.  Yet here we are with the same old arguments!

Neal

4 minutes ago, f7ben said:

polish those boots ckf .....just go ahead and let the man dictate how this forum gets run

Neal

32 minutes ago, f7ben said:

I would bet a weeks pay he wrote in 

Nope, but as a hint I'm a registered (I) in South Dakota.

Neal

3 minutes ago, AKIQPilot said:

Holy fuck.  

Shall I do the math for you, or can you give an answer to the question?

Neal

39 minutes ago, bussman said:

 

I agree, with almost certainty he voted for himself.  

Best vote I ever cast!

Neal

1 minute ago, AKIQPilot said:

 

You never once quantified your results.  You wrote some elaborate formula but refused to quantify it with a result.  

Here is your chance to prove to everyone how smart you are.  If lug height affects final drive ratio how much further will a sled with a 3" track move compared to a sled with no lugs at all.  Assuming all other components of the drive system are exactly the same between the two rigs.  Assume the driven clutch makes 1 complete revolution.

I know you won't quantify your results so save us the pain of another excuse.  

 

 

 

 

Of course I did, Ben and I went off onto the AC voltage riding a DC voltage way back in the original discussion.  

It depends on the distance moved and time measured.  There is no realistic way to measure it.  Again (as I stated the first post of the original discussion) the application is not a practical real world measurement, but a theoretical problem.  Have you forgotten that?

Neal

Just now, f7ben said:

that does not fit the definition of "final drive ratio" as expressed by the number of turns the input gear makes in relation to the output gear

1/4 of a rotation of the input gear producing a 1/2 rotation of the output gear yields what ratio?

Are you saying that problem is not able to be calculated?

Neal

Just now, f7ben said:

an oscillation similar to a sine wave occurring within the one full revolution needed to measure ration would not be taken into account in drive ratio....therefore even if it does exist it is not relevant to the original discussion .......you lose 

Incorrect.

There is no reason one cannot compare two points of time within a rotation to compare the two calculated ratios.

Neal

2 minutes ago, AKIQPilot said:

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

He finally admits it.  No change in final drive ratio.  Net sum zero.  Unable to quantify his results. 

Lug height has no bearing on final drive ratio.  Nada. Zero, Zip. 

You are not correct.  A net sum is not equivalent to never changing.  FDR can be calculated without a full rotation.

The two claims are not mutually exclusive.  Keep your pants on.  

Neal

6 minutes ago, bussman said:

Better than CNN. Period. 

No.

Neal

Because we (society) have deemed that a fairly represented cross section of the constituency is a good starting place for fair airing of voices.

Neal

To say that they can't do the job is racism.  To put together a panel such as done that way also seems pretty racist.

There's no winners there.

Neal

Cool!

Neal

Can't touch those MIC dollars!!

Neal

Just now, f7ben said:

I wouldnt slap my daughters mouth....I would tell her that it certainly isnt lady like to speak like that but given the circumstances I would make an exception 

Honesty with your children, whoda thunk it!

Neal

2 minutes ago, snoughnut said:

That's not the point, most (caring) mothers if they witnessed their daughter behaving that way would get their mouth slapped.

It is exactly the point, and one you miss by a mile.

Neal

2 minutes ago, Rw06GT said:

You are a complete fucking idiot.

Neal

Amazing.

Neal

5 minutes ago, f7ben said:

net sum zero in one full revolution  

Sure, or over the cycle of one lug even.

Neal

1 minute ago, s pump said:

And if you put a 1 inch Idler Wheel at the rear of the track versus a 12 inch Idler Wheel at the rear of the track will that change the final drive ratio?

Depends, nothing that is discussed (from me) on the lug flick or sweep will give a permanent change in ratio.  The issue (thought experiment) has to do with minute changes in the system that act similar to a sine wave.  Any change you make with respect to speed or force of the tip of the lug will have this type of impact.  So if that's the understanding of FDR you contemplate then a changes in idler diameter will have different sine waves of ratio change over a revolution.

Neal

10 minutes ago, snoughnut said:

That girl in the video was raised by idiots, sad you can't see that. A girl that young using vulgar language and hand gestures is not heading in the right direction.

Says you.  Seems like her judgement of who a fucking idiot is, is spot on.

Neal