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3 hours ago, Crnr2Crnr said:

Wow.... Cat sweeps the weekend in Pro  

1 minute ago, racinfarmer said:

It is a better equipped sled right out of the crate.

Certainly seems that way.

To that point though, I'm not in the loop on the latest rules....how is it that Polaris can field their 600 XCR without it being available to consumers? Maybe I'm mistaken, but on their website only the 650 is available.

Damn, Cat goes 1-2 in snocross!? What is this??

19 minutes ago, mnstang said:

I didn't even put the ziptie on.  That kind of weight adds up.

So is there a verdict on these brakes?  Is there a pad out there that is confirmed to be noisy?

Also would like to know. It sounds like my 2015 R-XC caliper may have different dimensions than the other R-XC sleds? If that's the case I'd imagine I'm stuck with what I got. I vaguely remember buying a different set of pads and finding they didn't fit my caliper. I'll have to dig into my spare parts.

11 minutes ago, racinfarmer said:

Not sure where you'd find an X32 kit unless you happen across one out of luck right now.

https://wahlracing.com/product/hayes-x-32-brake-caliper-assy/

This it?

2 minutes ago, Crnr2Crnr said:

so good they only used it once! 

In the 2016 ACi R-XC press release :

• Brake Pads friction material has changed back to T-124 for

increased pad life

That suggests the pads were just wearing too quickly. Like I said, the stopping power is excellent. But no noise and not much feel

https://www.arcticinsider.com/cross-country-racer-unveiled-2015-arctic-cat-zr-6000r-xc/

From the ArcticInsider write-up back in Sept 2014

• Race Proven Brake Caliper and Pads for improved wear and increased stopping power:

-Same Brake Caliper as 2014 XC Race Sled

-Larger bridge bolts for increased stiffness

-Low-pressure seals for less resistance when the brake lever is pulled

-Offset friction material on brake pads for more even wear under high pressure

– New brake pad friction material has increased braking power at elevated brake temperatures

9 minutes ago, Crnr2Crnr said:

one thing that comes to mind... if you break a drive belt or chain the brake on the jackshaft isn't going to do shit... that's if it doesn't lock up the track and skid into an obstacle.  so there's that... 

 

Yep.

Towed a buddy once that broke a chain, not even thinking about the fact he no longer had brakes due to his jackshaft mounted caliper. Next thing I know he's passing me on a downhill grade

Fortunately no fallout except for some bent handlebars.

15 minutes ago, mnstang said:

Jackshaft speed is alot higher than track shaft.  So I'd think you'd have more precision and modulation with the brake mounted on the jackshaft 

That was my thought too.

2 hours ago, Crnr2Crnr said:

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/pUEvEKnvSjDLqzNT/?mibextid=jmPrMh

Is this the sound you're looking for @Premium? 

 

https://www.countrycat.com/arctic-cat-3602-017-race-brake-pads-2013-2024-zr-6000-r

foot note on pads... (Excludes 2015 models & 2024 ZR 600 R-XC)

https://www.countrycat.com/arctic-cat-2602-720-hayes-heavy-duty-brake-disc-2012-2024-models

https://www.countrycat.com/arctic-cat-3602-020-hayes-extreme-duty-brake-disc-2012-2024-models

 

what's so different on the 2015 RXC?  seems to be an outlier... 

2602-866 caliper https://www.countrycat.com/arctic-cat-2602-866-caliper-brake-fixed-dual-piston 

and different pads  https://www.countrycat.com/arctic-cat-2602-870-race-brake-pads-2015-zr-6000-r

 

https://www.babbittsonline.com/oemparts/partsearch/arctic_cat_snowmobile?partsearch=3602-014

there tis... 2016 & up are different.  the good news is it seems the Catalyst automatically gets the old 'race' caliper but only the RXC gets the race pads and drilled rotor.

 

 

Yeah that's close. Still not as audible as the Wilwoods imo, although it's hard to tell through a video. So at least the Hayes are capable of producing it. On the Polaris sleds the brake system is mounted on the jackshaft like the Wilwoods used to be on the Cats....I wonder how that contributes to feel and sound.

Not sure what's so special about the 2015 R-XC. Maybe Krom has some insight.  The stopping power of my R-XC is significantly better than my turbo, that's for sure. But neither provide much feedback.  Often the R-XC feels like an on/off switch.

2 hours ago, Crnr2Crnr said:

for the era and money excellent... that said the RXC stops better and with those pads still make the noise.  Polaris brakes on the Cross Country, also a good noise.  pretty certain Raisin Farmer said the CC comes with the good pads as stock.  IDK if they come with the $600 rotor though 

Interesting. My 15 R-XC and pretty much every other Hayes I've had on a sled (or mountain bike) has been: meh. It's also been silent, so in addition to nearly no lever feel, there's no acoustic feedback. You can lock up a track on any system nowadays. There's more to it than that.

42 minutes ago, Crnr2Crnr said:

ratio?

at $800 for a brake rotor and set of pads, probably not many.  I did try the Hayes numbers shown in the Country Cat pics in a Google search and got nothing.  The Wildwood pieces for the 440/500's can be acquired for peanuts if you are savvy enough avoid the Cat markup. 

 

Knew I couldn't be the only one that missed the Wilwoods. Excellent modulation, great power, distinct sound. The Hayes have power and nothing else. Oh and they are a complete PIA to bleed on the Procross.

10 hours ago, jonlafon1 said:

Blowing belts usually changes offset. Amazing how far off the “book “ was on the 17’s. For offset numbers. 
 

10 hours ago, krom said:

It was only yami's offset that was off in 17 from what I saw.

but you're right the moving stub is old news.

With my 17 Cat 998, it would blow at 2k miles like clockwork with OEM belts (I felt this was totally acceptable given the power level). Started using Ultimax with even better success, even with a tune.

I gotta say, overall that sled is easily the most powerful yet most reliable sled I've ever owned. It just works. Granted, I have done some PM items like different top gear, brass shift fork pads, etc.

I'm wondering if we are seeing some variability in the casting batches.  I've got quite of few miles on my tuned turbo with an ADAPT. Zero issues so far.

3 minutes ago, mnstang said:

 

Most of what he says is opinion and no right or wrong.  But people can't have dissenting opinions around here.  The cool clique doesn't allow for that.

If he was objectively wrong about everything, people wouldn't get so worked up. 

People are just mad that Cats are the best.

No, that's exactly why people are so worked up hahaha

2 hours ago, mnstang said:

  All like minded people that won't challenge ideas. 

Oh and no humor too.

 

Absolutely true. But what exactly has been challenged besides the limit of his own stupidity?

If by humor you mean the subject of everyone's incredulous disgust? I guess I'll give you that.

I've seen a few posts now of people saying the Catalyst clutch offset is contributing to the loss of speed.

I would imagine with a built on shaft design of the secondary the alignment would be absolutely critical.

Anyone with more info here?

29 minutes ago, jonlafon1 said:

Wondering if anyone has tried the ultimax XS belts on the adapts?  I really like these belts as they seem to be slightly stickier then others.

 

Thats the spirit! 

Yes I run them on my tuned 998 with an ADAPT.  I've had a fantastic experience with them...performance/longevity/price/minimal belt dust.

Put a deposit down today on a 2025 ZR 858 129 w/ ATAC.

Not sure I need the G8 or ATAC, but the wife said I should just go big. You tend to do what she says in that situation

Holy shite.  Going to be a long road to recovery. Best of luck to him.

Anyone with insight into the quality of the AC5S shocks?

5 minutes ago, krom said:

Your reply proves you think that you're the site jerkoff who is constantly showing us how stupid you are..
That is a big step for you, between this one, and you calling yourself an asshole, that makes two correct post this year, and its only January

Personally I'm still floored by the braided brake line self-ownage

1 hour ago, krom said:

*stretch

also stupid, as it has nothing to do with the issue

nothing at all, he's a moron.

Another lie, you can't read.

Which one is a lie, your catalyst rides better, or your lawn isn't big enough to to be able to tell anything..

 

Post a video of you unplugging the safety switch, taking less than a minute

This is not only wrong, but totaly not related in the least..  It's even more moronic than the average moronic bullshit youy post.  You don't even know what a TPS is

Owners manual states 3 hours, but it may be a typo as the literature isn't exactly spectacular this year, so it could be the same 6 hours as it was in the past.  Only way to tell for sure is to plug into the sled with dealer diag software and see if its out of breakin in, or still in

No it won't.  Wrong as usual.

36 minutes ago, ZR6000RR said:

Fuck off you lying fuck!

On 1/18/2024 at 9:46 PM, Premium said:

Zach gives a recap at the end (7:28) and basically says they haven't found the top speed they need to be competitive.  Hopefully they will find an answer!

3 hours ago, Crnr2Crnr said:

no sugar coating it from Zach...

 

 

Where ya been Crnr??

1 hour ago, Crnr2Crnr said:

a tad more... but skidoos weren't having an issue and I believe they're running 2.86P

 

current issue imo is they're not getting 1:1 or full shift with the clutching, gearing and drivers they're running.  I have a bunch of opinions why already spelled out in the Catalyst Chassis Thread.  for max velocity on the lake I do wonder what a 2.52P 1" lug 14"w speed track would gain them?  had one on the 720 and hated it for trail riding BUT I can without a doubt say with confidence it spooled up much faster and more efficiently, easily had a higher top end and you could tell it was moving less air inside the tunnel.  it's also part of the reason I believe it overheated and cost me an expensive engine.  but, going back to the 500 racing days if my memory is correct... fast racers were running the speed tracks and a bit steeper than stock gearing and clutching. 

 

will be interesting to me to see if the GD Soo mods and MIRA sleds are short tracks again like in the past... anyone notice if Bunkes rocket was a 128 or still a stock 136 as comes on the 600R? 

 

 

I think the Doos are 2.86.  Aren't they also all single ply from the factory?

Yeah I'm sure the clutching needs to be dialed in.  While the primary idler bearing system works great for the average rider, I've always wondered if the constant compression secondary acts to prevent overdrive. For all out speed it's hard to beat the old Cat reverse cam button/roller secondary setup. They just work.