Tripleflipper

14 hours ago, AK440 said:

If the 900R and Boost are so popular, why are there still shit loads of unsold 900R’s and Boost’s sitting in showrooms in Alaska? We received tons of snow this winter.

It wouldn’t have mattered what engine they had in the Cataylist, Cat sleds are seen as bottom of the barrel, poorly made Chinese junk machines by the majority of buyers. 

High interest rates, over priced product and more popular than the Catalyst running around with a trolling motor. On the bold, likely also has something to do with the low pay in Alaska

8 hours ago, Not greg b said:

That has nothing to do with it. Cat’s low sales are from not selling what the consumer wants. A bigger than 800cc sled with a full feature display. What does cat release? A 600 with the same crap they have used for the last 12 years. They are 8 years late to the party with the 858 and the higher end options. If they would have done that out of the gate the catalyst would have been tough find this season. 

And Doo (boost) and Poo (boost and 900r) have upped the game and probably already working on the next flavor of engine. This will not help Cat and their 858 imo.

10 hours ago, Deephaven said:

Pathetic sales numbers.

Based on this website there are a lot of dumb canadians.

I didn't buy one. Or was this just a comment in general

13 hours ago, Crnr2Crnr said:

 

never buy a first model year, anything... especially a big bore. 

So very true

1 hour ago, Crnr2Crnr said:

Units: About 2,670 (In addition, about 891 were sold in Canada)

 

at least they don't light on fire...

 

 

 

They don't sell enough to even create a spark. Thought this was a flagship new model, and this is all they sold

Doo has it's own issues. Bought a 22 RXT and the steering shroud out of the box had a gouge in it which the dealer had to order. A year later one of the top side panels discolored for some reason and they wouldn't even warranty it. Of course the machine was 14 months old. First time BRP purchase and they won't honor warranty, blamed the customer. 

10 hours ago, awful knawful said:

Sxs don't roll over by themselves.

It's all on the driver.

 

Agreed. If this was Cat, the poster would not even make a comment. His history speaks for itself. We have never rolled our sxs RZR and we go through some pretty rough shit. 

8 hours ago, awful knawful said:

But it was a freak accident.

The shock broke and the bike rolled. The fire was caused from the rolling, nothing else.

Doesn't suit his agenda

5 hours ago, p51mstg said:

Not referring to anyone in particular, but rather as a reaction to a general observation across every forum and social media group I'm a part of:  The one thing that absolutely boggles my mind is how few people have experience working for large corporations.  People love to complain about Textron, and I'm not saying the corporate culture there doesn't suck, but work for any similarly-sized organization and you'll see exactly the same environment.  There's nothing unique about them.

I have serious concerns about the survival of the brand, but I really don't expect that in the short term, I think we're looking at 5 years out for any concern over its survival, probably closer to 10.  Textron saved Arctic Cat and made them profitable.  However, there's only one thing Textron cares about - same as thousands of other corporations - and that's money.

Corporations are generally only loyal to their employees when it makes financial sense.  They gladly let people go, even when they're planning to grow and expand, because they need to show a profit.  It doesn't matter who they let go, either - often the most experienced people cost the most money and it's easier to show a short term profit even at the expense of quality.  That's how it is.

IBM learned a long time ago how to avoid the subject of layoffs while simultaneously riffing people on a large scale at fairly regular intervals.  They do it three ways:  1-A high percentage of "employees" are contractors and don't count, 2-If you get laid off, you have to promise not to say how you left the company in order to get any benefits, and 3-All official spokespeople deny it ever happened.  IBM is publicly held, but do a search for layoffs and the story gets vague and unverifiable.  I'm surprised Textron doesn't do that.

Worked for a large Japanese Consumer/Industrial Electronics company. One of the largest in Japan. Had a senior management role. As South Korea, Malaysia and China started building shit cheaper some of the product the company manufactured got sourced to these and other countries. It was all about cutting cost and maximizing profit for shareholders. I had to replace full time employees with offshore workers (India). It was never enough, every year I had to cut more people. Then my turn came, just a number. I was one of 50,000 employees let go over a 2 year span. Zero thanks for my 27 years of service.

1 hour ago, AK440 said:

But it’s waaaay cheaper to issue a stop ride notice and mail out a fire hazard sticker.

I'm not putting one of those on my Tundra 

3 hours ago, krom said:

sure it was..
A joint venture that didn't have AC markings anyplace on it, used 0 legacy AC tuning components, and completely identical/parts interchange to the team clutches used by pre buy out textron, Deere, and others.

Like Poo RZR fire issue, Cat knew these were an issue. They knew this at the factory and now rather than fix the problem put a band aid on it.

17 hours ago, krom said:

Problem is that it wasn't a "freak accident" 

The fire issues were well known at the factory 

Just design build and sell machines that don't catch on fire during normal use. 

Good point, there are thousands, likely millions of vehicles on the roads today that have similar issues to this. I'm driving a 2023 Tundra with a fuel hose routing issue. Waiting for a fix.

Can't be the snow division. Someone on here claimed last year's Catalyst production was sold out. Think they even said this year's snow checks went well. Maybe this applies to the Yamaha sled builders

4 hours ago, wrinkly balls said:

Does this mean cat is #2 now?

I have always considered Cat a #2. 

5 hours ago, mnstang said:

Most new sales happen before snow season ever starts.

The affects of last winter will be more seen on snow checks from this spring to be sold this fall/winter.

The last 2 seasons in Ontario have not been good. Likely why there are so many left overs kicking around

I'm surprised the number is not worse given the lousy snow season, high interest rates and questionable quality over the past couple of seasons. Couple that with a receding economy in Canada.

16 hours ago, Crnr2Crnr said:

well, that was a bust

Was there a first day ? Here in Ontario there are still 300 km of trails open. From my door it is 1200 km. Have had my docks in the water for 2 weeks now. Earliest ever

13 hours ago, awful knawful said:

BRP still sold more sleds this season than they did pre COVID.

They are cutting 30% to be proactive.

It's to late they already have leftovers, they are being reactive. And good for them reacting in a responsible way. Poo needs to do the same thing

8 or 9 months ago I watched the CEO of BRP being interviewed on BNN. He was pounding his chest with glee as he stated all was good with sled production and sales. Said the clientele is on the higher end of the food chain and a slowdown would affect them minimally. I LMAO as weeks prior their were non current sleds sitting in the local dealer's yard. And even more after this winter. They also have non current Sea Doos. Times have changed

43 minutes ago, p51mstg said:

I don't think they were ever completely sold out.  However, there were a lot of people who walked away from a spring order.  The public will never know how many, so maybe it was just one guy who lost his job at Walmart.  But, we shouldn't assume there wasn't any.  I think there were more than we realize.

The resident expert said all sold out. To lazy to look for the post. No doubt reality says otherwise. 

51 minutes ago, MnDean said:

Did I beat Krom to punch ? 

https://www.cpsc.gov/Recalls/2024/Polaris-Recalls-Snowmobiles-Equipped-with-PATRIOT-BOOST-Engines-Due-to-Fire-Hazard-Recall-Alert

 

I don't even look at this shit anymore. I ride Polaris Sled/ATV and expect this stuff now. All part of owning the product. My dealer takes care of it when I bring the sled in in the Fall

Have a similar recall on my 2023 Tundra that I have had since Nov 2022. Still waiting for a permanent fix. Still not burnt to the ground

55 minutes ago, Crnr2Crnr said:

It's also amazing there are any of these 'all sold out' Catalyst's as left overs... including nonES RXC's ??? 

 

According to the Cat resident expert the Catalyst production was sold out within days of the Spring check program. These sleds showing as non current must be a mistake

2 hours ago, Not greg b said:

Wait till the 2025s come out. We will instantly be on page 511 and the 858 will be the most reliable sled ever built with tunnel wings on it. But you don’t need anything bigger than a 600 

I would like to see Cat develop a dog deflector for their 25's. Just in case any of these new Cat sleds make their way to Alaska.

49 minutes ago, mnstang said:

They need to gang pile all the time to feel good inside.  That's all this this forum is unfortunately.

For those who are tired of how a post goes sideways they can always move on, but I see you have gang piled on the defender's side, just an observation.

46 minutes ago, Crnr2Crnr said:

Robitussin 

 

If you replace the coolant with Robitussin you won't need scratchers or tunnel flares, in fact you won't even need to ride on snow.

Based on the past couple of seasons this would be a good reason to switch the coolant