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17 hours ago, HSR said:

IIRC the boost made 196hp stock on their dyno.

17 hours ago, Not greg b said:

They recently installed a new dyno. Their old one was always 10+ hp higher. They had a stock ctech 800 showing 168hp out of the the box where everyone else was in the mid 150s. It will be interesting to see what the other shops see stock out of it 

So that's what around 185 for the boost and 190 for the Doo.

32 minutes ago, wrinkly balls said:

It doesn't. The guy was dreaming!!!!

Here’s the post

Some guy got 117 GPS already. I’m assuming bone stock sled still in break-in mode. How does that compare to the Boost / thunderwinder? 

Bout time Cat won it. SOTY is about new tech representing the future of the sport. The 24 Cat is the first factory belt drive trail sled.

Course a certain 24 mustard bucket does feature the first weight penalty free electric start found on a trail sled. 
 

Does Polaris have any firsts for 24?

2 hours ago, krom said:

Guy in the video had quite a few pictures of failure...
FWIW you don't believe it was done for any reason other than to lower costs at the factory, do you???

Yeah, pictures of mountain sleds…

One guy put 4,900 miles on his 23 XRS 850 and his held up just fine.

Like I said, all 23 G5s got the new design not just the mountain sleds and there wasn’t a single failure reported on Dootalk in the trail sled forum.

For 24 we now have the Turbo 850 mounted in a trail sled and most will probably be running tunes well north of 200 HP so I guess we’ll see how that goes. Worst case Doo could simply switch back to the old design. 

As for the cost, the new design adds pieces / parts so I would think it would be more expensive to produce??? 

The G5 chain case is the same as the G4. It was the driveshaft that was changed to make for easier / quicker track swaps. I'm on Dootalk all the time in the G4/G5 trail sled section. And I didn't see a single post about any failures on any trail sleds last season. And there was plenty of snow / miles racked up last year. All 2023 G5s came with the same new driveshaft including my 23 MXZ. 

^^^ Doo did their best to lock down the Mach Z’s ECU via encryption. They’re purposely leaving this one unlocked.

And the Mach’s computer pulled power as soon as it got a little warm. With the meth injection Doo is designing this sled to maintain full power. I think this one is going to be different…

Shoot, I forgot about the liquid cooled crankcase. So that’s 3 things the new flatland Doo turbo has going for it to help it keep cool that none of the competition has. Meth injection, boost injectors, & a LC CC. I think the Polaris Boost is toast and there might even be a few butt hurt T-Cat / Winder owners this winter. 

9 hours ago, Not greg b said:

If they could throw fuel at it they wouldn’t need the meth. It’s got to be on the edge to meet epa if they are spraying it with meth. No one does that anymore. As far as making hp they can make as much hp as the rods will hold. It still isn’t going to hold a candle to a thunder cat. You can turn a tcat up a lot. 

Well they’re kinda doing both. Remember the NA Doo 850 already has boost injectors to help keep things cool. They kick in around 7K rpm. And then it’s part DI and part old school throttle body EFI. So it does ride a little dirty. 

Side note: trail converted 146 = C-Motion or an actual mountain skid designed to transfer. I suppose the RMX might put a damper on things. In any case should be interesting. There will most likely be a turbo back country next year anyways. 

39 minutes ago, Crnr2Crnr said:

there's a guy here in town with a 1200... two up seat, huge windshield, looks like shit... has about 300 picks in a shaved track and lifts the skis at 80mph.

I applaud shit like that  

Nice sleeper! What’s he running? Motec turbo around 300 HP LOL.

I found the post. And I guess I stand corrected. They’re playing with 270-280 HP tunes for the new Doo 850 Turbo R.

 “ Acceleration on an 850 turbo is nothing short of brutal. Tuner with a turbo R said 300 hp sidewinder had 2 mph more on the gun than his 850.......but in 2000 ft still couldn't get around his 850. Gonna be interesting.“

” I've spoken to a well known tuner that says they're playing with 270-280 flashes already. “

Yeah it probably won’t be running the outlaw class at Haydays LOL. But some guy had a trail converted 146 Doo turbo last year lined up with a 300 HP winder. The Winder got a higher mph reading but they ran out of room B4 the winder could catch the Doo turbo. Don’t remember the race length but it wasn’t short. I wanna say 2-3 thousand feet. 

1 hour ago, Not greg b said:

It’s gotta be running on the ragged edge if they have to spray it with meth to keep it alive in trail sled. I doubt Mr tcat will have an issue beating on it 

The meth is not to keep it alive, it’s to stop the computer from raining on the parade when the air intake temps get a bit warm during prolonged WOT use. I’ve read about tunes as high as 260 HP for the new Doo 850 turbo. And it probably weighs 100 lbs less than the thunderwinder.

9 hours ago, Crnr2Crnr said:

 

there's no context... which drivers were people expecting?  for example

just odd... 

Every other flatland Ski-Doo comes with 8 tooth drivers. And usually Ski-Doo has their ECUs locked down tighter than a snare drum. In other words they decided to unleash the beast with this model. 

Me, I’m just happy the words MXZ and SHOT are being used in the same sentence. I mean thanks to Ski-Doo we’ve all been enjoying weight penalty free reverse for years. Doo has access to weight penalty free electric start so why not let us trail riders have it to. Now they are.

Personally I don’t have much interest in a turbo. The NA 850 is fast enough for me. Or so I thought until I got a lower geared XRS. But now it’s got a 27T top gear in the chain case so the legs of my 2018 X should be back.

Can’t forget about the meth/water injection and the stutter mode/launch control. I bet tuned Vs tuned even the mighty thunder winder is gonna need a very long distance to try and get around one of these things. 

I guess it showed up with 9 tooth drivers and an unlocked ECU. 

If it is you can be assured it's in spite of the Biden administration's policies not because of them.

balanced mutual fund, relatively conservative, about a 80/20 debt / equity ratio

I should've waited one more year to order...But then I would've missed out on the tail end of COVID used sled pricing. I think my sled showed up in November last year and I got 9K for my 5 year old sled with around 5K miles on it. I didn't even put my MN registration stickers on it till this summer LOL and now going forward no reg numbers are required...

Didn’t the stock market crash in the fall of 87…

And I don’t get all the hoopla about Poo’s new 900. It’s only offered in the nose bleed models and it’s NA. The turbo 850s will be stronger so what’s the point ??? 

Speaking of Poo I was shocked when they didn’t release their “ me to “ version of semi active suspension for 23. Guess it wasn’t ready in time so 24 it is.

Are they ever going to take the lead on something and release it before Doo does? I mean besides some fancy hand warmers and a fancy gauge I can’t think of anything else in recent history. Maybe the hay bailer but that didn’t exactly pan out.
 

I did a little research. For 23 it’s called the 850 Turbo R and it makes “ some “ boost from sea level on up. (1.5 to 6.5 PSI) It’s 180 HP from sea level to 8K feet. This compared to the non R 21 & 22 turbos that made (0 to 4 PSI) and were rated at 165 HP from sea level to 8K feet. I bet there’s a 24 Mach 1 with the new R version to go head to head with Poo’s 850 turbo trail sled. 

I “ believe “ the Doo 850 turbo makes full boost at sea level for 23, they just haven’t mounted it in a “ trail “ sled, yet. BRP is just being more cautious and methodical in the way they roll it out to ensure durability. 

I’m surprised they didn’t mention DI, 14 MYs later and they’re still the only one that has it.