mnstang

5 minutes ago, Crnr2Crnr said:

Z440 and SP500... ftw

ZR440... close enough 

I hope you're all seeing the common denominators with all of the greats.

39 minutes ago, Crnr2Crnr said:

Finally getting a chance to listen to it... 

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/episode-36-mike-kloety/id1693906791?i=1000648752189

 

yup, he said the SnoPro 500 was the best sled they ever built... case closed, end of story...

I don't think he said that exactly.  But Tucker said everything besides a Jag is irrelevant.  And I've had both sooooo .....

You must be Mr. Martin on FB 

5 hours ago, krom said:

Nice example of how they'll attempt outrage over nothing.  OMG different countries are changing temperatures at different times OMG.

They could have easily framed it as, "rest of world is one third as warm as x country".   But that doesn't sell to the morons like saying x country is 3 times hotter!!!1!111!

It's basically just like saying Iowa warmed 3x as fast as MN over the last 24 hours.  

1 hour ago, Not greg b said:

I don’t ride in Minnesota so no I don’t ride in mud 

You always talk about riding in the worst conditions and miles of no snow etc 

10 minutes ago, ZR6000RR said:

Once I put on the tunnel flares, I never saw temps above 120, unless I was on bare ice. Some on here are trigger targets.

I'm coming off a high country so it may be a little different than a trail sled.  In proper snow off trail it was fine.  But access trails and slow speed exploring you'd have to watch it.  But still not too bad, I I never had a light come on like what some people apparently would.  If mine got into the 120's I'd be concerned and maybe once or twice it got into the 130's.  In good snow it was always at 105.

22 hours ago, racinfarmer said:

I guess what is better, watching a temp number or just watching for a light to pop up?

I know on all the Procross sleds we have, I watch that temp number way too much.

Yeah, it's probably just old PTSD from procross'.  On my old zr900 there's just a light and I would've even seen it if it came on.  Never look at those gauges.  In my limited catalyst time this year, I was surprised how well it cooked for the conditions I had.  Maybe I will get back to not looking at it.  For me it's going to be all the single track trails I travel around on, often slow going and compacted.

I wonder if you'll be able to read actual coolant temp with the g8 gauge.  The sport gauge just gives a cold-hot gauge 

That's ridiculous.  Angled studs, so it's just for wannabe drag racers?  Because anyone serious would be running real studs.  And trail guys should want braking if they're decent riders.  Plus that guy talks funny.

6 minutes ago, Not greg b said:

The natives will drink anything out of a barrel that washes up on shore. Probably got a fresh Bach of Russian nuclear waste they tossed in the ocean. Took a swig and said let’s fuck up some dogs. 

Hahaha that's my kind of people 

8 minutes ago, Sled_Hed said:

Flurries here this afternoon as well. Chance of snow Thursday and Saturday through Monday 

Crap I better get a motor in the Puma!!

I probably have more Arcticwear than that cooks guy, and oh yeah paid in full!

1 hour ago, awful knawful said:

Spoken like a true fatty.

It's only because his fuel tank is bigger 

1 hour ago, Cat45 said:

We do get a ton of snow up here normally, not really sure I'm ready for a 165 with avy pack and a shovel though....i hate to give up any trail performance but most of the group i ride with now is more into exploring the backwoods than hauling ass down the trail. Probly need 2 sleds

Two sleds (or more) is the only way to go if you're interested in both trail riding and off trail riding 

26 minutes ago, Crnr2Crnr said:

 

not that I've spent time on one but people who had Polaris Rush shorties seemed to love them.  2020 was the last year for those and to my knowledge the last factory full sized short track.

https://www.polaris.com/en-us/snowmobiles/2020/

far as I'm concerned the 128/129 seems to be the happy medium for trail riding and fits nicely between a true shorty 120/121 and a 136/137... mountain sled track length. 

 

 

And it won the freakin iron dog!

I'd like to know why aren't we talking about brake reservoir capacity and adjusting their levels so they're all the same?

It's unfair to have low brake reservoir capacity!  

Also.  We should be putting a meth tank in every sled for weigh in.  It's unfair skidoo has to run one and not everybody else.

Also.  Skidoo has shot and that's unfair so we should weigh the skidoo with a regular lead acid battery.

Basically we need to make all the sleds exactly the same so everything is "fair".  Then they will all weigh the same and there will be no winners and losers.  Brilliant!  I can't think of a single thing that could go wrong with this mentality.

I have an alibi.

1 hour ago, Crnr2Crnr said:

idk how many times the 128/129 vs 136/137 debate has been hashed out here (or the Internet) but my take is the couple extra lugs/studs help in acceleration and braking with higher HP sleds... and that's it.  bridging bumps... pure fantasy.  128/129 will rotate easier and top end better.  the Catalyst's ran/tested at ER the GD Soo and Mira races were 128's and they still weren't fast enough to run with the Polaris sleds.  

which in theory would be quicker through a smooth, groomed twisting and windy trail... a sled with a 121, 128 or 136 track with the same exact 600cc engine? 

@mnstang will likely have an opinion on this. 

 

There's trade off to everything.  It comes down to the rider and what they prefer.  Some riders might not experience the shortcomings of a track because they ride in a way that those shortcomings are not exposed, or their snow conditions or the trails they ride do not expose them.  But it's simple physics that a longer length won't have the ability to pivot in a turn as free or fast, given everything else being the same.

1 minute ago, racinfarmer said:

What?

Lets say you take 3 mountain bikes, all the same except wheel size.  26", 27.5", and 29".

Which one is the fastest?

Which one has the smoothest ride?

Which one handles the best?

That's only 3" difference which is one inch less than 4".

9 minutes ago, ZR6000RR said:

Dave Brown  is a Cat Racer and Engineer. They tested. 137 won. 

Oh, yes I know who the Brown's are.

I will have to disagree with you on the thinking that what one racer prefers means it's better for all people.  This comes down to personal preference, there's not a right and wrong.  I race dirt bikes and you could ask 10 racers what bike they like or what traits they like in a bike and you'll get 10 different answers.  Because people have different riding styles and ride at different speeds and value different traits and feelings from a machine.  I would bet that Zach and David have different setups to their race sleds.  Also what these top level snowmobilers racers like really doesn't apply to trail riders.. both in the terrain and speed/intensity.  What they do is worlds apart from a trail rider.  Totally different.  But even if it was the same, like I said there's still no right and wrong, it's personal preference.  If he likes the color purple that doesn't mean purple is the best color for everyone.

But back to the original point.  Cat does offer a 129" again in the catalyst so they must know there is a difference with the lengths and pros and cons for each one might appeal to different buyers.

1 minute ago, ZR6000RR said:

Can you? You race? Smarter than Zach and Dave? 

Can I what?  I don't race snowmobiles.  I have no idea if I'm smarter than Zach and Dave (whoever that is), we'd have to do some IQ tests to figure that out, but I don't understand the relevance of these questions in relation to my question?

Just now, ZR6000RR said:

Of course. Not going back to a 121, let alone a 115. 

That's weird because the difference between a 137 vs 145 is the same as 129 vs 137.  

You say you can't tell the difference to the 129, but you say of course you could tell the difference to the 145?

26 minutes ago, ZR6000RR said:

Not a question. You can't tell a difference on 4" of track on the ground. Well 99% can't. 

So do you think you could tell a difference between your 137", and a 145"?

3 minutes ago, ZR6000RR said:

Um? WTF? I own a 129. Have a 137. Had the exact sled in a 129 and zero benefits. 

What's the question, ZR?