steve from amherst

Well ya can rest your beer on their head while they are , oh never mind.

Just now, NaturallyAspirated said:

You are just doing half of a single payer.  Set up a good single payer system and be done with it already.  

Neal

I don't like to force people into things they may not want. I prefer to keep it optional. 

3 wives , wow , that would be tough.

Speaking of wives my wife ran out of her beer last night and asked if she could have one of mine . I said " sure you can , what is mine is yours, what is yours is mine" She thanked me and said that was so romantic and that I'm a sweetheart .

I replied , " yeah whatever , hurry up and finish that beer so we can go upstairs and play with our pussy"

Not sure I would add heroin to the self control list. The rest , yes.

16 minutes ago, xtralettucetomatoe580 said:

The R party will look more and more Libertarian in the future. You disagree? And yes, I am a Libertarian of sorts. 

Around here definatly. Most of the GOP in my state house are libertarian. Many jus don't know it yet.

Take all the people on Medicaid and treat them at a VA hospital. In 5 yrs add on all the people on medicare. The estimated fraud of those 2 programs is $60 billion a yr. Without billing there can be no fraud. Use the savings to build more hospitals. Once system is fully in place allow folks to buy into that plan for small money if they so desire. 

Why, what would you consider middle class? Around here its $65k to 365K

Just now, NaturallyAspirated said:

Indeed.

Only once 15 years ago for a CAT scan. 

Neal

You spent an overnight for a cat scan? Who did it the overnight janitor?

And that is the problem. If we don't get HC costs under control we will never get HI costs under control.

26 minutes ago, xtralettucetomatoe580 said:

The social right is dying every time a baby boomer gets a heart attack or cancer... The right will start to look more like me. Fiscal Conservative, socially left to moderate (more likely thinking it’s not their business even if they disagree with how someone choose to live their life). The way it should be. 

That would make you a libertarian. Unfortunatly for them the libertarian party has done a piss poor job of letting Americans know what they stand for. If they did they would be the largest party in the country.

So you ,were there as a guest then? Not the patient? When was the last time you spent an overnight in the hospital as a patient?

1 minute ago, NaturallyAspirated said:

Counting my kids being born, about 7. 

Neal

I didn't realize you were a chic.

I drink coffee when playing. Have never won big because I have never bet big . I have also never left a casino with less money then I walked in with.

So Neal you are cool with forcing someone to buy something they neither want or need so that you can pay less? Yet others are being selfish?

And you , how many have you had in the last 10 yrs?

Both sides are hypocrites. If this was a dem plan dems would be saying how thankfull we should be to have genious dems bringing this plan to the American people and repubs would be defecit hawks .

1 minute ago, NaturallyAspirated said:

Just over majority, 40% will have an outpatient ordeal and 7.6% will have an overnight stay.

We are still subsidizing 40% of those who reject insurance.  40%.

Only covering the sick is idiotic and short sighted.

Neal

So we should spend tax money for people who will not need it? That's the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard.

And an overnight stay cost about the same as ins payments for a yr. When was the last time you had an overnight stay?

Good , because that is the GOP biggest mistake on this whole thing. Not putting it in simple dollars and cents to the American public. All 1/2 the country knows is that someone told them its bad.

" But it will raise the defecit 1.5 trillion $ over 10 yrs we cant have that"

Um Obama raised the defecit 7.6 Trillion $ over 6 yrs.

Just need to understand how the game is played. If one has a good understanding of statistics and probability they can win at blackjack. That being said , I don't drink when I play.

2 minutes ago, NaturallyAspirated said:

Yup, so now we are back to subsidising them though higher and higher premiums.

Neal

No actually. The majority of them will never need more then a physical. That they can pay cash for. Before obycare when one went to the hospital and didn't pay their bill the fed gvmt would reimburse the hospitals at 72% . It sucked as a system but at least it only spent money on sick people. Obycare subsidies spend money on the sick and the healthy. I would rather my tax $ go to paying a hospital to help someone who is sick then paying a insurance company to cover the sick and the healthy.

The " we pay higher premiums because of the uninsured" was never true. Yet like many things if yelled enough , loud enough and ofton enough people will believe it.

1 minute ago, xtralettucetomatoe580 said:

Where is that stat from?

Where is the 13 million number from? No one knows. its a guess nothing more , Same as my number. Only I'm willing to admit why some will lose it. Its because they choose to.

Out of the 13 million who will lose HI , 10 million will lose it because they no longer will buy it. 

1 minute ago, Snoslinger said:

I'm not crying. my family and I will be absolutely fine. but I do feel for many other americans who are going to suffer from this. you don't, and that's the difference between a dem and a repuke.

 

 

 

Who exactly is going to suffer and why?

Well if it as bad as dems like to claim it is then it will cost the GOP their seats and maybe the white house. If that happens dems can raise taxes on Americans . Think they will ?