Killer

Yep.  Listened to the whole thing... Guy is nuts, in a good way though.  Must say my preconceived thoughts about Nuggent were that he was a straight up kook that was just obsessed with guns. He may be but definitely a lot more than that and found him intelligent and definitely interesting. 

One reason I like Rogan is he seems to bring out the realness in people.   

1 hour ago, Wildboer said:

I mean, not a whole lot, we're not going to bother with Rod and Momo  

He starts off the video talking about "Utopians" whose goal is a perfect society. This is bullshit, the goal is a better society than the current one, not perfection.

He also mentions how 85-90% of the world is worse off than "us" I'm not sure who "us" is here, but I'm assuming he means the capitalist west. This is a wildly qualitative and useless statement.

Then he says communism in Russia and China were real because both of them failed. He harps over and over on the dictatorship thing... socialism does not necessitate a dictator. So it's just irrelevant bullshit.

I'm not watching the last minute of the video, it's already completely worthless drivel. He's arguing against a false narrative he's invented. It's not socialism, it's his opinion of socialism and his opinion of it is conveniently hinged on utopia and dictatorship.

Perhaps youre confused but the very definition of utopia is a near perfect society. What is the context around his reference to utopia? Can you share the conversation?

We live in a better society today, by all metrics, where we've gotten over a billion people out of extreme poverty in the last 20 years. Life is FAR better for most people today than 200 years ago when your home boy Marx was on the scene.

Even more recently as according to: https://ourworldindata.org/extreme-poverty

In Marx time it was maybe the 1% who didn't live in extreme poverty, by 1981 it was estimated 44% of the world lived in extreme poverty and in 2013 it was 11%... 

1 thing I've found his detractors get hung up on is the fact the guy choses his words very carefully and you have found yourself trying to interpret what he's said to fit your views and failed to actually listen to him as carefully as you should have if your going to form an opinion and especially if you're going to argue that opinion.  I'm certain you've not paraphrased correctly his comments on Russia or Maoist China. I haven't heard his in whatever you're referring to so based on your comments so far, and knowing his position on the history of marxist-lenist dogma, I know definitively what he's suggesting is not what you have interpreted him to have said.

Also, you are using terms like socialism and communism interchangeably to explain his position yet he rarely ever refers to socialism and definitely not in the same breath.  He has talked about being in favor of a number of socialist philosophies and was at one point an active social Democrat.

So it's  pretty clear you don't have a lot of time into your argument or understanding what he's said, especially when you kick it off by saying the guy is pseudo intellectual.  Pretty hard to take anything you say seriously because of that.

1 hour ago, motonoggin said:

Dude, the lobster thing disqualifies everything else he has to say as a supposed intellectual. 

No one really needs to go further than that. 

It's like  listening to a physics lecture from a dude who tells you that the earth is flat 

How so?  The lobster story is an analogy comparing humans to an animal, something scientists do every single day. Its scientific consensus We evolved from the same cells as crustaceans and he makes a very good case for how the way we act in many ways is a matter of evolution, not social construction. Perhaps it's debatable but to compare it to flat earthers is blatantly ignorant.

13 minutes ago, Wildboer said:

I've seen more than enough to know he's a psuedo-intellectual...

What is pseudo intellectual about him?

Do you realize how ignorant that is?.  He may be a lot of things but that's not 1.

1 hour ago, motonoggin said:

Oh, it's not the first time, we've got lots of incels and other protofascists skulking around here.

No he doesn't, he sounds just.like you trying to imitate me. Garbled ideas and word salad. He's a dumb asses' idea of a smart guy.

Peterson is the ultimate safe space snowflake. I mean, dude thinks non cisheteronormative people who dare demand respect is infringement upon individual freedom and tantamount to fascim.

 

I just did a search.  Has been brought up a few times with minimal conversation but seems this is the first thread.

You spend too much time on the fringes, which includes this site. A big reason why I found myself disagreeing with people here over the years, to my misfortune was moreso my attestation to the echo chamber than my sheer disagreement with what was being said.

I doubt there are many fascists, some racists for sure but mostly very level headed people, regardless of the echo chamber or monolith (99% middle age white straight guys). Echo chambers are an easy target, and rightly so.

It is pretty clear though you haven't done your due diligence and study.

But tell me you are calling him the stupid man's smart person because you read this:

http://www.macleans.ca/opinion/is-jordan-peterson-the-stupid-mans-smart-person/

9 hours ago, NaturallyAspirated said:

Matt Dillahunty reduces him to a babbling metaphysics mess.

Neal

How so?  Haven't seen it yet but I've listened to him and Sam harris now a few times.  They are getting together in Vancouver very soon I believe. 

From what I can gather Peterson doesn't believe most atheists are actually atheist and he loaths nialism. He makes strong arguments for both and I'm being very brief on my interpretation.

3 minutes ago, DriftBusta said:

Well in that time, we've seen the rise of the snowflake triggered safe space generation, who have somehow convinced themselves that capitalism is the root of all evil.  They're wrong, and he explains why.

I've been fortunate enough to have followed this guy's rise to fame since he first caught it over a year and a half ago because it started locally to me at UofT.  It's pretty crazy watching him go from a popular professor with little noteriety to a world wide phenomenon.  He's handled it quite well for a regular family guy. 

He has said he thinks this all  started in the early 90s with the PC doctrine making its way through the schools.

12 hours ago, motonoggin said:

He's arguing against what communist doctrine became when hijacked by authoritarian elements. 

Communism calls for a stateless, classless, moneyless society in which the means of production are collectively owned by the people to the benefit of the people. 

Both China and the USSR are/were states. They both had classes. They both had money. And neither turned the means of production over to the people.

Not exactly.  He is arguing that essential human nature precludes us from this monolithic equity outcome you seem to think is the best form of society. History disagrees with you. 

His argument based on historical facts is far more believable than "we didn't have nice people in authoritarian positions for Marxism to work".

The fact you use socialism and communism in the same context makes me think you don't know what they actually are.

12 hours ago, Wildboer said:

 

That is in reference to YouTube where all his videos are posted and has something like 80% male audience.

His audience now is far more diverse since his book launched.   Have you read it or watched many of his lectures/videos?

The funny thing about Peterson is if he was this popular 10 years ago you'd call him a bore. 

Surprised it took this long for Peterson to pop up on here.

3 hours ago, f7ben said:

Hi Kyle !

Very sorry to hear this, I had a lot of respect for Rob in how he handled the shitshows here and at HCS over the years and of course his epic mileage!   HCS was key for me in finding my passion for sledding, learning so much about the sport, with FS helping to continue that passion and connect with so many of you motherfuckers.  Sorry for your loss CKF

13 hours ago, XCR1250 said:

Years ago White trash was considered to be any white person dating or married to a black person, not sure what's considered white trash now a days.

You

4 minutes ago, Highmark said:

Just what are you exactly trying to prove with this graphic that we have a lot of guns but a very low murder rate?  

Read it dummy

1 hour ago, Biggie Smails said:

Ummm...didn't you just post a photo?

Here's another one idiot

http://www.realclearscience.com/blog/2013/03/the-correlation-between-guns-and-homicide-rate.html

13 minutes ago, GGNHL said:

That's gun deaths, not gun murders. 

 

With more gun ownership more people will also kill themselves with guns, but I have no problem with people choosing to take their own life as long as they don't take anyone elses. XLTs chart was just murders. We are all free to choose how we live and die. 

The chart does, the scientific study i posted correlates gun ownership to gun homicide. It also includes accidents.  Are you cool with that too?

Murder rates and violent crime have been decreasing for decades-this has been studied extensively.  

The U.S. is ranked 4th out of 34 developed nations for the highest incidence rate of homicides committed with a firearm, according to Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) data. Mexico, Turkey, Estonia are ranked ahead of the U.S. in incidence of homicides. A U.S. male aged 15–24 is 70 times more likely to be killed with a gun than their counterpart in the eight G-8.  Everyone is free to live their life though...

 There is so much more info out there that directly correlated gun ownership rates with gun homicide.  There is really no debating it.

Like this one:

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/guns-and-death/

7 hours ago, xtralettucetomatoe580 said:

What a fucking simpleton.  Do some bloody research instead of posting bullshit photos.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3828709/

This is one of the most extensive studies and there are plenty more which correlate gun ownership rates with higher gun crime rates, either by state or country.

5 minutes ago, Biggie Smails said:

Where are the other Canadian experts to explain this to us rubes? 

9 minutes ago, xcr700 said:

At least Canada had an honorable mention.  Was starting to feel left out 

2 hours ago, bussman said:

Not a single comment, I'm shocked. 

 

 

I was a few few blocks away when number 36 happened. Never went there as it was a bit more expensive for this young enlisted kid to afford at the time. 

I just saw this, can't comment t on why others haven't posted but it's apparent there are some startling realities to decifer from that list.  Let me break it down for you Pathetic fucking idiots:

1.  It is clear the USA has more in common with 3rd world shit holes and middle Eastern war zones than the rest of the modern world.  Looking at how many times Kenya, Pakistan, Nigeria and India are listed along with USA is telling. Try to figure it out.  There are a few high profile USA shootings that didn't seem to make the list either, namely the Dylan Roof event.  Maybe not enough body count?  Vegas isn't there...

2. The Scotland shooting was an epic turning point for gun violence in the UK.  Over 750,000 signatures from the public demanded more restrictions on gun ownership and they got it.

There hasn't been a significant shooting since.  Go figure

3. The ecole Polytechnic shooting in Montreal was also a turning point for gun violence in Canada with bill c-68 "the firearms act" passed a few years later.  Similarly nothing as serious since and even a later school shooting in Montreal at Dawson college likely was limited in seriousness due to those very gun laws (1 dead).

Carry on dummies

17 minutes ago, Ez ryder said:

facts are facts

Uh huh...

11 minutes ago, XC.Morrison said:

She seems like a pretty nice lady then.  I'm confused why President Trump called her a bitch though,  with his "get these sons of bitches off the field" comment.

2 Different lady's...  Also "context".  Ez Ryder is a moron

1 minute ago, Ez ryder said:

um he was adopted by upper middle class white people his own mom told him to shut his pie hole

his mom

You're a fuckin idiot

53 minutes ago, ArcticCrusher said:

Photosynthesis doesn't kick in for plants until the co2 ppm gets over 200 and there is plenty of data to show current levels were greatly surpased.  We are not exactly overwelming the planet with co2.  Even back in the Roman days the planet was warmer, the tree lines further north and growth rings further spaced apart.  Its complicated to say the least.

300,000 years ago, from possibly a few big factors, one being valcanic activity, not your tail pipe, et al today.

That is the last time co2 has been 400ppm. 200 during ice ages and 280 on average. Numerous peer reviewed studies supporting this and all the other research. Real scientists, 1000s of them.

There is mountains of evidence to suggest historical climate in certain parts of the human world was not represented as a global norm.  It would have been colder in a different part of the world there were almost no humans and no human history of the climate at the time.

15 minutes ago, ArcticCrusher said:

Nobody disagrees with climate change, just what the main driver is. Its far more complex.  The scientists pushing this simplistic view and their followers are the joke.

There is no main driver, there are obviously many moving and constantly changing parts.   Science is pretty damn clear on that.

What climate change science is proving, is that the rate of change and the state of change is unlike most anything, and in fact the correlation between our impact on the environment, mostly with respect to greenhouse gases is mimcing  major historic, NATURAL climate events.

There is more co2 in the atmosphere today than any time in the last 300,000.  We know why it happened 300k years ago and we know why it's happening now.  

Just now, ArcticCrusher said:

It's a good thing they have a bunch of dumb fuck artsies who failed science waving the sheep flag.

Climate scientists failed science? Huh

I think you're referring to the "expert" denier group.

I love the morons who site a cold winter as evidence there is no such thing as global warming then dismiss any record breaking events scientificly tied to climate change such as increased prominence and power of hurricanes.   Can't get dumber than that.  Weather events are the poorest of datasets when it comes to scientific research (and consensus) on climate change.

Then there's the people who say the climate has always changed and always reacts to itself but dismiss mans influence on the planet as inconsequential.

This is the crux of the intellect and sophistication of the denier cult.  It is clear that it doesn't matter what you say or what scientific evidence you share, they don't care.  

2 minutes ago, FAT DAVE said:

Lots of things could happen.....you can worry all you want.

Ive got better things to do.

Then why are you participating in this discussion?

3 minutes ago, FAT DAVE said:

How many got displaced from the last iceage? 

You fucking alarmists kill me.

Oh the horror.

A meteor could hit the USA tomorrow and wipe out 300million people.  Climate change?

You couldn't possibly have read what I posted in the amount of time it took you to respond, but the ice age!