From the age of fourteen to nineteen years old I was a lumber jacking on a small crew they put me down as working for my grandfather. So at the age of fourteen no one can say that they did the same and now a days someone would be going to jail if they let a kid on a jacking crew. FYI I never threw an ax but I have handled a two man saw the object is to never push always do the pulling and the man on the other side to do the same it will never work with just one man.