OK Dave. You obviously aren't going to give it a rest until you have your moment of glory. A few years ago when we were having trouble keeping Zoso out Joel and I told you guys that we didn't have the time or energy to keep him out if he really wanted to be here. Between VPS's and proxy servers it's easy to mask your IP address. So I get a PM from Dave saying that he used to own a big ATV website and that he could keep him out if given the chance. I discussed it with Joel and we decided to