This guy….🤣

2 hours ago, Crnr2Crnr said:

now if you want to talk about plant closures and jobs leaving a state... I've actually been to upstate New York and seen all the shuttered factories and mills. also saw the most disgusting bathroom I've ever seen on the entire planet in a gas station near lake Erie. but I actually get around...

which is exactly why I know the cause and effects of democrat policies driving out business, and destroying small towns and cities.

btw you haven't seen all of them, you've seen a tiny fraction of them...

Edited July 2Jul 2 by krom

1 hour ago, Zambroski said:

You seemed to have dropped the "Chicago's leadership is great and big fat, grossly obese men are awesome rulers" argument. I think it's a good move. I just wanted you to know that I noticed.

I already made my thoughts known about the fatass billionaire…..and Chicago will be just fine

36 minutes ago, krom said:

which is exactly why I know the cause and effects of democrat policies driving out business, and destroying small towns and cities.

btw you haven't seen all of them, you've seen a tiny fraction of them...

don't start thinking your state is alone in that... and I saw more enough of them.

we've lost plenty of manufacturing here as well... thanks to corporate america, bad political decisions, profits over people and china

D's and R's did all that btw

1 hour ago, spin_dry said:

I already made my thoughts known about the fatass billionaire…..and Chicago will be just fine

Like Russia. Amirite?

11 hours ago, Crnr2Crnr said:

don't start thinking your state is alone in that... and I saw more enough of them.

we've lost plenty of manufacturing here as well... thanks to corporate america, bad political decisions, profits over people and china

D's and R's did all that btw

Close to grasping reality, but so very far at the same time

31 minutes ago, krom said:

Close to grasping reality, but so very far at the same time

what's keeping you there, a court order?

2 minutes ago, Crnr2Crnr said:

what's keeping you there, a court order?

Why try and change the topic??

4 minutes ago, krom said:

Why try and change the topic??

I'm just curious why you want to reside in such a liberal hell hole.

1 minute ago, Crnr2Crnr said:

I'm just curious why you want to reside in such a liberal hell hole.

see you're trying to change the topic, is it because I've presented enough evidence for you to realize you're wrong?

BTW because I like the scenery and people in area.

Edited July 2Jul 2 by krom

1 hour ago, krom said:

see you're trying to change the topic, is it because I've presented enough evidence for you to realize you're wrong?

BTW because I like the scenery and people in area.

you still haven't told or shown me why Johnsonville closed a plant built in 1962 because of Pritzker... speaking of changing the subject

I get that, and you're in the right area for it, kinda like here being detached from Madison and Milwaukee.

4 hours ago, Crnr2Crnr said:

you still haven't told or shown me why Johnsonville closed a plant built in 1962 because of Pritzker... speaking of changing the subject

I get that, and you're in the right area for it, kinda like here being detached from Madison and Milwaukee.

You incapable of connecting the ginormous dots on your own?

Do you believe that high costs of doing business, high taxes, and tons of red tape, pay no role in day to day business decisions?

You believe they would have spent the money to shut down the plant, move the equipment, demo the building, and clean up the site no matter what?

Tax and Revenue Policies

• Multiple tax hikes and new levies: Critics highlight dozens of tax and fee increases (e.g., $650M+ during the pandemic era, additional hikes in recent budgets). This includes a new tax on digital ads/revenue (seen as hitting small businesses' marketing), efforts toward a graduated income tax (failed at ballot but pursued), reversing or limiting corporate tax breaks like net operating loss deductions, and decoupling from certain federal tax relief measures.

• Corporate franchise tax and other business taxes: Proposals or actions to maintain or reimpose elements of the corporate franchise tax and other changes estimated to raise hundreds of millions from businesses.

• Paper bag tax and similar fees: Legislation like SB 1872 imposing per-bag fees, criticized as regressive burdens on retailers and small businesses.

Labor and Employment Regulations

• Expanded worker protections and requirements: Bills increasing access to personnel records, paystubs (with retention rules), extending filing periods for human rights charges (to 2 years), whistleblower expansions with Attorney General intervention powers, and rules on day/temporary labor staffing.

• Union-related measures: Limits on employer mandatory meetings about unionization (or "political/religious" topics), seen as restricting free speech and pro-business communication. Also, adjustments favoring project labor agreements in some sectors.

• Workers’ compensation and other costs: Increases in assessments/surcharges on workers’ comp insurance and payments.

Legal and Litigation Environment

• SB 328 (toxic substances lawsuits): Allows out-of-state plaintiffs and companies to pursue certain "toxic" substance cases in Illinois courts, criticized as enabling "litigation tourism," boosting trial lawyers at the expense of manufacturers and creating an anti-business reputation. Business groups like the Illinois Manufacturers Association opposed it strongly.

Regulatory and Other Burdens

• COVID-era shutdowns: Strict stay-at-home orders closing non-essential businesses, viewed by some as overly disruptive (though pandemic context applies).

• Credit card interchange fee limits: New law restricting fees, criticized for disrupting retail/gas station operations, forcing software changes, and affecting consumer rewards.

• Carbon sequestration and energy rules: Moratoriums, new frameworks, and preferences (e.g., for union projects) that add compliance costs or limit certain projects.

• Broader regulatory expansion: Critics point to cumulative effects from BIPA clarifications (biometrics), environmental rules, and workforce mandates that increase compliance burdens, especially for small and mid-sized firms.

Broader Context

Critics argue these contribute to business exodus (Illinois has lost thousands of firms over time, accelerating in recent years), slow job growth in some metrics, population outflows, and a challenging overall business climate despite Illinois' large economy. High property taxes, overall tax burden, and regulatory environment are frequently cited as drivers. Illinois ranks poorly in economic growth and migration stats under Pritzker.

Edited July 2Jul 2 by krom

CEO and Business Leader Surveys

• Chief Executive Magazine Best & Worst States for Business (2026): #48 (near the bottom). Based on a survey of over 650 CEOs and business owners. Illinois has consistently ranked near the bottom (often with New York and California) due to taxes, regulations, and overall business environment perceptions. Top states: Texas (#1), Florida (#2), Tennessee (#3).

Tax-Focused Rankings

• Tax Foundation State Tax Competitiveness Index (2026): #38 overall. Weaknesses in individual income taxes (#42), corporate taxes, property taxes, and overall structure. This is a more objective, numbers-driven index focused purely on tax policy.

Other Notable Rankings

• Site Selection Magazine (Corporate Expansions & Relocations, 2025 data): #2 statewide (for the fourth consecutive year). Chicago metro often ranks #1. This highlights strong performance in landing big projects and investments, even if overall climate is criticized.

• WalletHub Best States to Start a Business (2026): #29. Middling performance, stronger in some access-to-resources areas but weaker in costs and environment.

• Rich States, Poor States (ALEC, 2026): #45 for economic outlook; #49 for recent economic performance (GDP growth, employment, migration).

Oooof. Damn, Krommy! Let the boy catch his breath already. You're cold, bro!

34 minutes ago, krom said:

You incapable of connecting the ginormous dots on your own?

Do you believe that high costs of doing business, high taxes, and tons of red tape, pay no role in day to day business decisions?

You believe they would have spent the money to shut down the plant, move the equipment, demo the building, and clean up the site no matter what?

Tax and Revenue Policies

• Multiple tax hikes and new levies: Critics highlight dozens of tax and fee increases (e.g., $650M+ during the pandemic era, additional hikes in recent budgets). This includes a new tax on digital ads/revenue (seen as hitting small businesses' marketing), efforts toward a graduated income tax (failed at ballot but pursued), reversing or limiting corporate tax breaks like net operating loss deductions, and decoupling from certain federal tax relief measures.

• Corporate franchise tax and other business taxes: Proposals or actions to maintain or reimpose elements of the corporate franchise tax and other changes estimated to raise hundreds of millions from businesses.

• Paper bag tax and similar fees: Legislation like SB 1872 imposing per-bag fees, criticized as regressive burdens on retailers and small businesses.

Labor and Employment Regulations

• Expanded worker protections and requirements: Bills increasing access to personnel records, paystubs (with retention rules), extending filing periods for human rights charges (to 2 years), whistleblower expansions with Attorney General intervention powers, and rules on day/temporary labor staffing.

• Union-related measures: Limits on employer mandatory meetings about unionization (or "political/religious" topics), seen as restricting free speech and pro-business communication. Also, adjustments favoring project labor agreements in some sectors.

• Workers’ compensation and other costs: Increases in assessments/surcharges on workers’ comp insurance and payments.

Legal and Litigation Environment

• SB 328 (toxic substances lawsuits): Allows out-of-state plaintiffs and companies to pursue certain "toxic" substance cases in Illinois courts, criticized as enabling "litigation tourism," boosting trial lawyers at the expense of manufacturers and creating an anti-business reputation. Business groups like the Illinois Manufacturers Association opposed it strongly.

Regulatory and Other Burdens

• COVID-era shutdowns: Strict stay-at-home orders closing non-essential businesses, viewed by some as overly disruptive (though pandemic context applies).

• Credit card interchange fee limits: New law restricting fees, criticized for disrupting retail/gas station operations, forcing software changes, and affecting consumer rewards.

• Carbon sequestration and energy rules: Moratoriums, new frameworks, and preferences (e.g., for union projects) that add compliance costs or limit certain projects.

• Broader regulatory expansion: Critics point to cumulative effects from BIPA clarifications (biometrics), environmental rules, and workforce mandates that increase compliance burdens, especially for small and mid-sized firms.

Broader Context

Critics argue these contribute to business exodus (Illinois has lost thousands of firms over time, accelerating in recent years), slow job growth in some metrics, population outflows, and a challenging overall business climate despite Illinois' large economy. High property taxes, overall tax burden, and regulatory environment are frequently cited as drivers. Illinois ranks poorly in economic growth and migration stats under Pritzker.

23 minutes ago, krom said:

CEO and Business Leader Surveys

• Chief Executive Magazine Best & Worst States for Business (2026): #48 (near the bottom). Based on a survey of over 650 CEOs and business owners. Illinois has consistently ranked near the bottom (often with New York and California) due to taxes, regulations, and overall business environment perceptions. Top states: Texas (#1), Florida (#2), Tennessee (#3).

Tax-Focused Rankings

• Tax Foundation State Tax Competitiveness Index (2026): #38 overall. Weaknesses in individual income taxes (#42), corporate taxes, property taxes, and overall structure. This is a more objective, numbers-driven index focused purely on tax policy.

Other Notable Rankings

• Site Selection Magazine (Corporate Expansions & Relocations, 2025 data): #2 statewide (for the fourth consecutive year). Chicago metro often ranks #1. This highlights strong performance in landing big projects and investments, even if overall climate is criticized.

• WalletHub Best States to Start a Business (2026): #29. Middling performance, stronger in some access-to-resources areas but weaker in costs and environment.

• Rich States, Poor States (ALEC, 2026): #45 for economic outlook; #49 for recent economic performance (GDP growth, employment, migration).

using a pretty broad brush there sport... but again, do you have anything specific to Johnsonville and Pritzker?

I looked... and found squat

appears to me they're consolidating production, moving equiptment, likely leveling the 1962 building and unloading the property

did you even realize their main facility is just 4 hours away through shitty Chicago traffic? https://maps.app.goo.gl/cZKT1h1pYwN34wrz7

appears to me to be a simple business decision... but keep attempting to make a mountain out of this mole hill.

4 hours ago, Crnr2Crnr said:

you still haven't told or shown me why Johnsonville closed a plant built in 1962 because of Pritzker... speaking of changing the subject

I get that, and you're in the right area for it, kinda like here being detached from Madison and Milwaukee.

The true story behind the Illinois closing came down to logistics and operating cost. The company was planning on closing a Sheboygan county plant in “24 after a merger. They later changed course on the decision because of demand for a particular product line and the recognized cost of refurbishing the aging Illinois plant. I believe it’s now been demolished.

what's totally hilarious is the plant was closed in June... of 2025

https://www.just-food.com/news/johnsonville-closes-packing-site/?cf-view

1 minute ago, spin_dry said:

The true story behind the Illinois closing came down to logistics and operating cost. The company was planning on closing a Sheboygan county plant in “24 after a merger. They later changed course on the decision because of demand for a particular product line and the recognized cost of refurbishing the aging Illinois plant. I believe it’s now been demolished.

they also have one in Watertown WI

10 minutes ago, Crnr2Crnr said:

they also have one in Watertown WI

My friend was an engineer there. I think he moved to another plant.

52 minutes ago, Crnr2Crnr said:

what's totally hilarious is the plant was closed in June... of 2025

https://www.just-food.com/news/johnsonville-closes-packing-site/?cf-view

Which means they chose to close it long before that.

36 minutes ago, Deephaven said:

Which means they chose to close it long before that.

no way!

3 hours ago, Deephaven said:

Which means they chose to close it long before that.

2 hours ago, Crnr2Crnr said:

no way!

Which still means neither of you morons have the slightest clue how and why taxes, red tape, and government policies that make it difficult/expensive to do business causes companies to leave.

Edited July 3Jul 3 by krom

7 minutes ago, krom said:

Which still means neither of you morons have the slightest clue how and why taxes, red tape, and government policies that make it difficult/expensive to do business causes companies to leave.

I know fully well how the world works. When's the last time you read an 8K ?

so, no evidence this was Pritzkers fault?

12 hours ago, Crnr2Crnr said:

I know fully well how the world works. When's the last time you read an 8K ?

so, no evidence this was Pritzkers fault?

no more than all that I've already posted you mean?

we all know you'll keep up this lame deflection even if I produce an email from him to the head of the factory threatening to kill their families if they don't shut down

17 hours ago, Crnr2Crnr said:

using a pretty broad brush there sport... but again, do you have anything specific to Johnsonville and Pritzker?

I looked... and found squat

appears to me they're consolidating production, moving equiptment, likely leveling the 1962 building and unloading the property

did you even realize their main facility is just 4 hours away through shitty Chicago traffic? https://maps.app.goo.gl/cZKT1h1pYwN34wrz7

appears to me to be a simple business decision... but keep attempting to make a mountain out of this mole hill.

Did you hit your head recently or something? This isn't hard dude. Is that all you're hanging your hat on, the possible reasons a fucking sausage factory closed? Not like he didn't present evidence of the shit ass tax and regulatory environment. Maybe if it was better, they would have renovated the factory.

12 hours ago, Crnr2Crnr said:

I know fully well how the world works. When's the last time you read an 8K ?

so, no evidence this was Pritzkers fault?

It has more to do with Devilcrat policies in general and Crook County, Illinois is a front runner in that idiocy. Example, the fucking Bears have been in Chicago forever and the Devilcrats are trying to ass fuck them with excessive taxation. Way to go retarded Devilcrats of Crook County!