Who knew?

Who’s this Heritage Foundation?

https://thiswillhold.substack.com/p/only-99-cases-of-noncitizen-voting

Little late today but still delivered like a good paper boy

1 minute ago, Doug said:

Little late today but still delivered like a good paper boy

I get a dollar from John for every response you make to my posts. Gravy money. Pete gets me 2 bucks each.

Just now, Mainecat said:

I get a dollar from John for every response you make to my posts. Gravy money. Pete gets me 2 bucks each.

So your crying to John again and still to cheap to be a donating member.

Got it

29 minutes ago, Mainecat said:

Who knew?

Who’s this Heritage Foundation?

https://thiswillhold.substack.com/p/only-99-cases-of-noncitizen-voting

FAKE news.

Only 99.. you fuckers are flat out cheaters and always have been but now you’re outed

Facts don’t care about your fraud feelings.

Pretty hard to document cases, in places no one is looking..

Dont take away our illegals! We need them to maintain control of this country

Heritage leads Project 2025, also known as the 2025 Presidential Transition Project, an extensive plan that includes appointing ideologically aligned civil servants, restricting abortion access, opposing LGBTQ+ rights, transforming federal agencies for political purposes, and imposing strict immigration policies.

20 minutes ago, Mainecat said:

Heritage leads Project 2025, also known as the 2025 Presidential Transition Project, an extensive plan that includes appointing ideologically aligned civil servants, restricting abortion access, opposing LGBTQ+ rights, transforming federal agencies for political purposes, and imposing strict immigration policies.

Yet another

1 hour ago, akvanden said:

Facts don’t care about your fraud feelings.

when the mango mussolini says there's fraud... there just has to be fraud, massive fraud, the biggest scammiest fraud in the history of frauds.

and now... a classic

1 hour ago, krom said:

Pretty hard to document cases, in places no one is looking..

Why is it hard? Audit after audit never finds MAGA’s lies.

55 minutes ago, Doug said:

Yet another

You know your copying and pasting memes Einstein.

16 minutes ago, Mainecat said:

You know your copying and pasting memes Einstein.

You know no other way to communicate.

You should read them first at least

1 hour ago, akvanden said:

Why is it hard?

did you even read the post you quoted?

I simply said if no one is looking, then no cases are going to be documented.

If no cases are documented, then none are going to exist when you search for documented cases.

42 minutes ago, krom said:

did you even read the post you quoted?

I simply said if no one is looking, then no cases are going to be documented.

If no cases are documented, then none are going to exist when you search for documented cases.

Yes, I read your post I quoted, hence why I said audit after audit doesn’t find fraud happening (of any kind) widespread.

Edited February 15Feb 15 by akvanden

Yet MASS COLLUSION!!!

2 hours ago, akvanden said:

Yes, I read your post I quoted, hence why I said audit after audit doesn’t find it fraud happening (of any kind) widespread.

https://www.justfacts.com/news_non-citizen_voter_registration

Based on data for the 2008 presidential and congressional elections, the study found that:

• “roughly one quarter of non-citizens” in the U.S. “were likely registered to vote.”

• “6.4% of non-citizens actually voted.”

• 81.8% of them “reported voting for Barack Obama.”

The study’s voter registration rate was estimated with data from two key sources:

1. A national survey in which 14.8% of non-citizens admitted that they were registered to vote.

2. A database of registered voters that reveals what portion of the surveyed non-citizens “were in fact registered” even though “they claimed not to be registered.”

Edited February 16Feb 16 by krom

58 minutes ago, krom said:

https://www.justfacts.com/news_non-citizen_voter_registration

Based on data for the 2008 presidential and congressional elections, the study found that:

• “roughly one quarter of non-citizens” in the U.S. “were likely registered to vote.”

• “6.4% of non-citizens actually voted.”

• 81.8% of them “reported voting for Barack Obama.”

The study’s voter registration rate was estimated with data from two key sources:

1. A national survey in which 14.8% of non-citizens admitted that they were registered to vote.

2. A database of registered voters that reveals what portion of the surveyed non-citizens “were in fact registered” even though “they claimed not to be registered.”

The study you are looking at is highly controversial, and most independent researchers and election experts consider its figures to be significantly inflated.

While the article from Just Facts cites data and academic sources, the "10% to 27%" figure is not a consensus fact. It is a calculation based on a disputed 2014 study that has been largely rejected by the broader political science community.

The Source of the Data

The Just Facts report relies on a 2014 study by Dr. Jesse Richman. Here is how that study is viewed today:

* The Original Claim: Richman’s 2014 paper estimated that a significant percentage of non-citizens were registered and voting.

* The Rebuttal: Peer-reviewed responses from other scholars argued that the data was flawed due to "measurement error." Specifically, they found that a small number of citizens accidentally checked the "non-citizen" box on surveys. Because non-citizens are such a small group, even a tiny number of citizens making this mistake can make it look like "non-citizens" are voting in huge numbers.

* The Author's Stance: Dr. Richman himself has pushed back against his work being used to claim "massive voter fraud." In more recent court reports, he has provided much lower estimates (around 1%) to ensure the data is robust for legal cross-examination.

What Independent Audits Say

When states perform actual audits of their voter rolls rather than using survey estimates, they consistently find that non-citizen registration is exceedingly rare:

* Georgia (2022): An audit found that 1,634 non-citizens attempted to register over a 25-year period, but none actually cast a ballot because they were caught by the system.

* Brennan Center Study: An analysis of 23.5 million votes across 42 jurisdictions found only 30 suspected cases of non-citizens voting.

* The Heritage Foundation: Even the conservative Heritage Foundation’s Election Fraud Database, which tracks proven cases of fraud, lists only 77 instances of non-citizens voting between 1999 and 2023.

Summary Table

| Perspective | Estimated Rate | Basis |

|---|---|---|

| Just Facts Report | 10% – 27% | Survey data (CCES) extrapolated using a specific mathematical model. |

| Peer Reviewers | ~0% | Argue the survey data is skewed by citizens misidentifying themselves. |

| State Audits | <0.001% | Based on actual cross-checks of government databases and voter rolls. |

In short, while it is true that some non-citizens have registered (often due to confusion at the DMV), there is no documented evidence that it occurs at the massive scale suggested by the 10-27% estimate.

Alternative Ratings: Media bias trackers, such as AllSides, often rate PolitiFact's editorial stance as "Left-Center". 

But even they state that they found 30 cases out of only 42 districts.

Edited February 16Feb 16 by krom

99 no citizens voted since 1982……seems voter fraud is almost non existent.

Except the magats are blaming non-ID requirements on Georgia and a massive overturn upcoming once recounted.

19 hours ago, akvanden said:

Yes, I read your post I quoted, hence why I said audit after audit doesn’t find fraud happening (of any kind) widespread.

Audit after audit never found fraud in MN, until now. Does that mean fraud never existed?

11 minutes ago, racer254 said:

Audit after audit never found fraud in MN, until now. Does that mean fraud never existed?

Definitely not audited.