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Iran's most advanced and hardened nuclear facility, the Fordo plant in the country's northwest, is a fortress.

Its hilarious the entire world knows about this facility.

Its even on the news about how it hasn't been hit yet.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/israel-iran-war-fordo-nuclear-site/

Edited June 18, 2025Jun 18 by Highmark

The B2 isn't used unless its needed.

Every time its flown, it becomes less useful, as stealth only works when your enemy doesn't know how to detect it. Every time a B2 gets flown over, or near hostile territory it gives more radar signature data to analyze.

If Iran's air defense's are anywhere near as compromised at Israel claims they could drop from anything with the cargo capacity. Pretty sure a 737 could haul that much weight..

1 hour ago, Highmark said:

Its hilarious the entire world knows about this facility.

Its even on the news about how it hasn't been hit yet.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/israel-iran-war-fordo-nuclear-site/

but do we actually know the status and capability, or are we just speculating... Again?

11 minutes ago, krom said:

The B2 isn't used unless its needed.

Every time its flown, it becomes less useful, as stealth only works when your enemy doesn't know how to detect it. Every time a B2 gets flown over, or near hostile territory it gives more radar signature data to analyze.

If Iran's air defense's are anywhere near as compromised at Israel claims they could drop from anything with the cargo capacity. Pretty sure a 737 could haul that much weight..

Balloon Drop?

56 minutes ago, krom said:

The B2 isn't used unless its needed.

Every time its flown, it becomes less useful, as stealth only works when your enemy doesn't know how to detect it. Every time a B2 gets flown over, or near hostile territory it gives more radar signature data to analyze.

If Iran's air defense's are anywhere near as compromised at Israel claims they could drop from anything with the cargo capacity. Pretty sure a 737 could haul that much weight..

What country would need stealth technology if Biden was still President. Just use a balloon,

17 hours ago, Crnr2Crnr said:

but do we actually know the status and capability, or are we just speculating... Again?

Balloon Drop?

Do we? I have no idea.

I do believe this....Israeli intelligence is some of the best in the world especially in the ME.

I know this.....Iran banned the IAEA from inspections and shortly after Israel launched its attacks.

https://news.un.org/en/story/2025/06/1164291

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/12/world/middleeast/un-iaea-iran-nuclear-program.html

I know this.....Hamas and Hezbollah are literally a wing of Iran and they have continued to attack Israel throughout their history.

I know this.....Iran leadership all the way to the top....not just their people constantly chant death to Israel. They do the same to us but that alone is not worthy of our involvement.

I know this....Iran is almost the last ME country that isn't ready for peace with Israel.

4 minutes ago, Highmark said:

Do we? I have no idea.

I do believe this....Israeli intelligence is some of the best in the world especially in the ME.

I know this.....Iran banned the IAEA from inspections and shortly after Israel launched its attacks.

https://news.un.org/en/story/2025/06/1164291

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/12/world/middleeast/un-iaea-iran-nuclear-program.html

I know this.....Hamas and Hezbollah are literally a wing of Iran and they have continued to attack Israel throughout their history.

I know this.....Iran leadership all the way to the top....not just their people constantly chant death to Israel. They do the same to us but that alone is not worthy of our involvement.

I know this....Iran is almost the last ME country that isn't ready for peace with Israel.

why hasn't Congress been at the minimum briefed or given the full Intel?

22 minutes ago, Crnr2Crnr said:

why hasn't Congress been at the minimum briefed or given the full Intel?

How do you know they haven't besides not every single person in congress is privy to every single piece of intelligence.

The question is its been about a week now that facility has been discussed its likely they removed any highly enriched uranium already. Possibly even some of the equipment.

Iran would be foolish to assume it can't be destroyed. I don't think its a stretch to assume we have satellite coverage of that facility 24/7.

https://www.google.com/search?q=congress+been+informed+of+intelligence+on+Iran&rlz=1C1SQJL_enUS880US880&oq=congress+been+informed+of+intelligence+on+Iran&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOTIHCAEQIRigATIHCAIQIRigATIHCAMQIRigATIHCAQQIRigATIHCAUQIRigATIHCAYQIRifBTIHCAcQIRifBTIHCAgQIRiPAjIHCAkQIRiPAtIBCTExMTM0ajBqN6gCALACAA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

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26 minutes ago, Highmark said:

How do you know they haven't besides not every single person in congress is privy to every single piece of intelligence.

The question is its been about a week now that facility has been discussed its likely they removed any highly enriched uranium already. Possibly even some of the equipment.

Iran would be foolish to assume it can't be destroyed. I don't think its a stretch to assume we have satellite coverage of that facility 24/7.

https://www.google.com/search?q=congress+been+informed+of+intelligence+on+Iran&rlz=1C1SQJL_enUS880US880&oq=congress+been+informed+of+intelligence+on+Iran&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOTIHCAEQIRigATIHCAIQIRigATIHCAMQIRigATIHCAQQIRigATIHCAUQIRigATIHCAYQIRifBTIHCAcQIRifBTIHCAgQIRiPAjIHCAkQIRiPAtIBCTExMTM0ajBqN6gCALACAA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

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apparently things have changed...

1 minute ago, Crnr2Crnr said:

Washington Examiner - Political...

Gabbard to reschedule Senate Intelligence briefing

Office of the Director of National Intelligence spokeswoman Alexa Henning said the office will reschedule the briefing as soon as the committee provides possible dates.

Reuters

US senators to receive classified Iran briefing, aide to...

U.S. senators will receive a classified briefing on Iran early next week, an aide to Senate Democratic Leader Chuck Schumer said on Wednesday, as Iran and Israel in recent days have ratcheted up th...

apparently things have changed...

Likely got updated intel from Israel.

29 minutes ago, Highmark said:

Iran would be foolish to assume it can't be destroyed. I don't think its a stretch to assume we have satellite coverage of that facility 24/7.

We have a lot more than satellite coverage of that facility and can easily wipe it off the map including the locations where everything they pulled out of it was brought to.

1 minute ago, Deephaven said:

We have a lot more than satellite coverage of that facility and can easily wipe it off the map including the locations where everything they pulled out of it was brought to.

Not sure I buy that. They could easily usher it out of country. Pretty sure Saddam did that with what chemical arsenal he had left.

Just now, Highmark said:

Likely got updated intel from Israel.

yesterday there was concern and zero intel given to them. who do we trust on this one? I'm teetering on the line tbh. neither of us seem to want another ME war. regime change is also a dodgy aspiration. if we put US boots on the ground or the Israelis do, Muslim tinderbox

2 minutes ago, Crnr2Crnr said:

yesterday there was concern and zero intel given to them. who do we trust on this one? I'm teetering on the line tbh. neither of us seem to want another ME war. regime change is also a dodgy aspiration. if we put US boots on the ground or the Israelis do, Muslim tinderbox

I honestly don't think there is a chance the US puts boots on the ground....the only possibility of that would be if the UN or a coalition is formed and I don't see that happening as it would have to be made up of majority of Muslim countries and while many hate Iran they won't go that far as they could be next. Iran could and would likely turn into Iraq 2.0. No weapons found and an insurgent war possibly worse than the previous one. Only difference with Iran is it don't have the many different "tribes" and split of Shia/Sunni Iraq had. One side didn't want revenge for years of mistreatment and exclusion from power. Its 90-95% Shia.

I also think its laughable the idea that the country will have some sort of revolution and demand regime change. That's wishful thinking at best.

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8 minutes ago, Highmark said:

Not sure I buy that. They could easily usher it out of country. Pretty sure Saddam did that with what chemical arsenal he had left.

In the country what I stated was right. Out of the country depends on how much those that are safe harboring Iran's stuff want to deal with sanctions. If he did move things out of Iran this is one area I think Trump will do really well on.

1 minute ago, Deephaven said:

In the country what I stated was right. Out of the country depends on how much those that are safe harboring Iran's stuff want to deal with sanctions. If he did move things out of Iran this is one area I think Trump will do really well on.

Not sure I agree that we could track it that well. If we could then why isn't the admin showing the world more proof of their capabilities? I'm suspicious of our IC. For the most part I simply don't trust them at all.

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2 hours ago, Highmark said:

Not sure I agree that we could track it that well. If we could then why isn't the admin showing the world more proof of their capabilities? I'm suspicious of our IC. For the most part I simply don't trust them at all.

We can. Super easily. Showing the world we can doesn't help us in any way though. They will all find out when we strategically remove whatever we want.

18 minutes ago, Deephaven said:

We can. Super easily. Showing the world we can doesn't help us in any way though. They will all find out when we strategically remove whatever we want.

I do think there is some risk of terrorism in the US if we get involved. Let's face it lots of people came thru the southern border under Biden that we have ZERO clue as to who they are. Couple former CIA analyst have discussed this on some prominent podcasts. Not saying they are trustworthy sources but if it did occur I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest. This is a concern because it might entice Trump to go all in and put boots on the ground. He would hammer them if American's are killed. Then does China take the opportunity to invade Taiwan. I don't envy having to make those decisions.

Edited June 19, 2025Jun 19 by Highmark

38 minutes ago, Highmark said:

Then does China take the opportunity to invade Taiwan.

I brought this exact point up last night with some friends…

It opens that door...

5 hours ago, Deephaven said:

We have a lot more than satellite coverage of that facility and can easily wipe it off the map including the locations where everything they pulled out of it was brought to.

You can bet that most every intelligence agency in the world, has been watching that place 24-7 since before the first survey stake was placed.

Irianian air defense

Update!

2 hours ago, Mag6240 said:

I brought this exact point up last night with some friends…

1 hour ago, Deephaven said:

It opens that door...

Strange times indeed....possibly on the verge of changing the worst regime in the world when it come to islamic fund and terrorism if this can spur the Iranian people to action or China moves on Taiwan and we are on the doorstep of WW3.

Pretty sure it will just be Israel setting back Iran's nuke program by half a decade or so and nothing else.

Kind of surprised Israel doesn't have 1 or a few B2's and a small stockpile of these bunker busters. Not that Iran thinks this is just Israel anyway.

Edited June 19, 2025Jun 19 by Highmark

12 minutes ago, Highmark said:

Strange times indeed....possibly on the verge of changing the worst regime in the world when it come to islamic fund and terrorism if this can spur the Iranian people to action or China moves on Taiwan and we are on the doorstep of WW3.

Pretty sure it will just be Israel setting back Iran's nuke program by half a decade or so and nothing else.

Kind of surprised Israel doesn't have 1 or a few B2's and a small stockpile of these bunker busters. Not that Iran thinks this is just Israel anyway.

Has it even been proven that the GBU-57 can destroy the Iranian facilities in question without being nuclear tipped?