buhbye Textron...

18 hours ago, Crnr2Crnr said:

remember when you and Ramstad said Cat didn't need a new chassis?

Oh I guess that one cut deep, the truth tends to hurt.

Remember when I bought a catalyst and you never bought anything and never will?

I like what I'm hearing about improved engine mounting. My 858 is definitely vibey... not enough to make your hands go numb or anything but it's very noticeable and one of my chief complaints outside of the factory clutching being way off.

18 minutes ago, mnstang said:

Oh I guess that one cut deep, the truth tends to hurt.

Remember when I bought a catalyst and you never bought anything and never will?

not in the least

whoopdeedoo... you bought something. a first year model from a company that looked to be going out of business. how many more months until it's paid off? congratulations on your purchase which apparently entitles you to be the foremost authority on all things Cat btw.

this should be interesting...

On 4/27/2025 at 2:41 PM, Cat45 said:

I really think it's just for the trail cruisers not the performance minded riders. Most riders can't tell the difference in performance from a full tank of gas to a 1/2 tank, and that's probably pretty close to the weight difference. I can see it being good for an xc race to fight fatigue, and as a steering dampener. The atvs I've ridden that had it worked great, no more bars getting ripped out of your hands. I'd think it'll help with darting on a sled too

I'm not sure how I'd feel about that on an XC sled.

I feel like you could put yourself in some dangerous spots forcing the sled to do something you are not capable of, either due to ability, fitness, or fatigue.

Without trying it, it is a bit of an ignorant thought, I just feel like forcing the sled to do something your body isn't capable of could get you hurt real quick.

Put a set of XT's on a sled, force in to turn in the rough and go for a real bad tumble when those skis grip and you try to hang on for that ride.

5 hours ago, Crnr2Crnr said:

not in the least

whoopdeedoo... you bought something. a first year model from a company that looked to be going out of business. how many more months until it's paid off? congratulations on your purchase which apparently entitles you to be the foremost authority on all things Cat btw.

Other than Deepcunt is there anyone you don’t annoy…good god you’re a twat.

40 minutes ago, racinfarmer said:

I'm not sure how I'd feel about that on an XC sled.

I feel like you could put yourself in some dangerous spots forcing the sled to do something you are not capable of, either due to ability, fitness, or fatigue.

Without trying it, it is a bit of an ignorant thought, I just feel like forcing the sled to do something your body isn't capable of could get you hurt real quick.

Put a set of XT's on a sled, force in to turn in the rough and go for a real bad tumble when those skis grip and you try to hang on for that ride.

It would definitely be interesting to try. It would be highly dependent on how much assist there actually is. If it was speed sensitive like on the polaris atvs i could see it being useful. Hopefully I get to ride one this Winter and try it.

1 hour ago, Jimmy Snacks said:

Other than Deepcunt is there anyone you don’t annoy…good god you’re a twat.

he and I have a long complicated history

stick to being a useless POS Jimmy flip flop

No one likes you. Just telling the truth.

Well well well, look what the cat drug in.

On 4/27/2025 at 8:56 PM, Doug said:

Hope they get their foot on the ground first. Then go to the vault and pick up the projectsTextron put on the shelf

They need to get arctic ware back up and running under their control as fast as possible. That’s an easy, high margin product people will buy.

On 4/27/2025 at 12:31 PM, racinfarmer said:

It is nice to see the ra-tards are full throttle on ACTR and other groups.

You got a contact for Darling? I’m thinking an EXT “cross country cat” is needed as well.

Love the scheme, don’t like the options but that would fix it.

Edited April 29, 20251 yr by Palu49

9 hours ago, ZR6000RR said:

No one likes you. Just telling the truth.

well look who found his balls again...

7 hours ago, Palu49 said:

You got a contact for Darling? I’m thinking an EXT “cross country cat” is needed as well.

Love the scheme, don’t like the options but that would fix it.

maybe they'll do a Cross Country next year?

unless actual Cross Country is dead in favor of lake racing...

As for the power steering, I rode my buddy's XC850 129 equipped with C&A XCS back to back with both my Catalyst 858 129 (with C&A RZs) and 998 Turbo 137 (no PS, SLP Mohawks) and was astonished how heavy that XC 850 turned. Heavier steering than my turbo without a doubt and the Catalyst was in another league of light steering.

So I'm not sure the Catalyst really needs power steering, however one potential advantage is the bar turn vs ski turn ratio. Langaas stated with the new EPS calibration, a 37 degree turn at the bars will now be akin to 62 degree turn. That's a whole lot less arm movement for the same turning radius.

5 minutes ago, Premium said:

As for the power steering, I rode my buddy's XC850 129 equipped with C&A XCS back to back with both my Catalyst 858 129 (with C&A RZs) and 998 Turbo 137 (no PS, SLP Mohawks) and was astonished how heavy that XC 850 turned. Heavier steering than my turbo without a doubt and the Catalyst was in another league of light steering.

So I'm not sure the Catalyst really needs power steering, however one potential advantage is the bar turn vs ski turn ratio. Langaas stated with the new EPS calibration, a 37 degree turn at the bars will now be akin to 62 degree turn. That's a whole lot less arm movement for the same turning radius.

XCS are a bear to turn... friend tried them on an Assault and hated them... On Trail

Designed For Aggressive On and Off Trail Riding

The Xtreme Crossover Ski or XCS crossover snowmobile ski offers the best performance for today’s high-tech and high-powered crossover sleds. This ski features outboard keels for precise control, snow scoops to maintain grip and they are tapered for side-hilling and offer the best performance for both on and off trail riding. This is the most aggressive ski C&A Pro offers for the crossover and trail riders.

C&A Pro Snowmobile Skis

XCS Crossover Snowmobile Skis

C&A Pro XCS Crossover Skis offer the ultimate performance for today's high-tech and high-powered crossover snowmobiles. Featuring outboard keels for precise control and snow scoops to maintain...

these are what C&A suggests to my knowledge

C&A Pro Snowmobile Skis

XPT Performance Trail Snowmobile Skis

C&A Pro XPT Performance Trail skis are the ultimate trail ski for newer sleds with lots of ski pressure. Mid center keels help eliminate darting, improve tracking and reduce pushing in corners....

33 minutes ago, Crnr2Crnr said:

XCS are a bear to turn... friend tried them on an Assault and hated them... On Trail

Designed For Aggressive On and Off Trail Riding

The Xtreme Crossover Ski or XCS crossover snowmobile ski offers the best performance for today’s high-tech and high-powered crossover sleds. This ski features outboard keels for precise control, snow scoops to maintain grip and they are tapered for side-hilling and offer the best performance for both on and off trail riding. This is the most aggressive ski C&A Pro offers for the crossover and trail riders.

C&A Pro Snowmobile Skis

XCS Crossover Snowmobile Skis

C&A Pro XCS Crossover Skis offer the ultimate performance for today's high-tech and high-powered crossover snowmobiles. Featuring outboard keels for precise control and snow scoops to maintain...

these are what C&A suggests to my knowledge

C&A Pro Snowmobile Skis

XPT Performance Trail Snowmobile Skis

C&A Pro XPT Performance Trail skis are the ultimate trail ski for newer sleds with lots of ski pressure. Mid center keels help eliminate darting, improve tracking and reduce pushing in corners....

Yeah the XPT skis are what C&A recommends for rider forward trail sleds vs the RZR, but the RZRs still steer so light on the Catalyst I'm planning to try some C&A XTs that I have on the shelf for comparison. That will be a good litmus test since they're pretty much the most aggressive ski you can buy haha. Also have Mohawks to try out too.

1 minute ago, Premium said:

Yeah the XPT skis are what C&A recommends for rider forward trail sleds vs the RZR, but the RZRs still steer so light on the Catalyst I'm planning to try some C&A XTs that I have on the shelf for comparison. That will be a good litmus test since they're pretty much the most aggressive ski you can buy haha. Also have Mohawks to try out too.

why'd he try the XCS's when they tell you that up front?

have RZ's on both SP's, XT's on the RXC. the RXC steers very heavy compared to the SP's. @Not greg b ran Mohawk's this winter so he can probably give you some feedback.

There's also this...

Edited April 29, 20251 yr by Crnr2Crnr

1 hour ago, Crnr2Crnr said:

why'd he try the XCS's when they tell you that up front?

He claims he doesn't mind it

Edited April 29, 20251 yr by Premium

11 minutes ago, Premium said:

He claims he doesn't mind it

TJ in the video didn't mind them either. I don't mind a little resistance as long as they're accurate.

Just now, Crnr2Crnr said:

TJ in the video didn't mind them either. I don't mind a little resistance as long as they're accurate.

Interesting that Leach rated the RZ and the XCS as similarly aggressive on the Catalyst. That tells me apples to apples the Catalyst chassis + ratio steering definitely is contributing to the light bar effort I feel vs my buddy's XC 850.

Edited April 29, 20251 yr by Premium

12 minutes ago, Premium said:

He also lives in the UP with ample snow all winter.

Interesting that Leach rated the RZ and the XCS as similarly aggressive on the Catalyst. That tells me apples to apples the Catalyst chassis + ratio steering definitely is contributing to the light bar effort I feel vs my buddy's XC 850.

the xcs work 'in snow' from what my friend said on his assault.

which makes me think why the fuck would I want power steering plus added weight? maybe I'm dumb...

On 4/28/2025 at 10:46 AM, Crnr2Crnr said:

not in the least

whoopdeedoo... you bought something. a first year model from a company that looked to be going out of business. how many more months until it's paid off? congratulations on your purchase which apparently entitles you to be the foremost authority on all things Cat btw.

Not that it's your business but it was "paid off" before I took delivery. Keep trying.

Funny right in this thread you said you have a heavy steering two stroke. Another person also said they rode a Polaris two stroke that had heavy steering. But your argument is that two strokes wouldn't benefit from it because they're "lightweight". Ok boomer. Luckily you can still buy a non EPS sled. Which we all know you won't.

Just now, mnstang said:

Not that it's your business but it was "paid off" before I took delivery. Keep trying.

Funny right in this thread you said you have a heavy steering two stroke. Another person also said they rode a Polaris two stroke that had heavy steering. But your argument is that two strokes wouldn't benefit from it because they're "lightweight". Ok boomer. Luckily you can still buy a non EPS sled. Which we all know you won't.

yes, the 21 RXC with C&A's steers particularly heavy at low speeds in comparison to the SP's... like in the woods under 30mph. it also steers very accurately and with ease above that. is that worth taking a 20-50lb weight penalty for EPS? not to me it isn't, but I'm not a weakling either.

can you specifically point out for me anytime I stated it might not be a benefit... to some people or for some style of sleds?

55...is boomer? do you really want to do a tnw challenge single kitty cat owning millennial? do you even have a girlfriend btw?

I do look forward to seeing you chastise Arctic Cat here publicly if EPS doesn't show up on the 2026 RXC race sleds...