Gold Member BOHICA Posted June 7, 2023 Gold Member Share Posted June 7, 2023 guys are looking at some time and some stiff penalties on these Federal charges. https://www.mlive.com/public-interest/2023/04/11-michigan-men-charged-in-major-us-diesel-tampering-case.html?outputType=amp 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member 800renegaderider Posted June 7, 2023 Gold Member Share Posted June 7, 2023 Ouch big fines $$$ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member BOHICA Posted June 7, 2023 Author Gold Member Share Posted June 7, 2023 3 minutes ago, 800renegaderider said: Ouch big fines $$$ Those fines would have bought a lot of diesel and Def Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkisNH Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 It's a shame that they have ruined the reliability of diesel trucks with this nonsense....if I had a diesel I would do a Def delete for sure. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toslow Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 5 minutes ago, SkisNH said: It's a shame that they have ruined the reliability of diesel trucks with this nonsense....if I had a diesel I would do a Def delete for sure. Also a 5in straight pipe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 What a bunch of dumb fucks. Did they really think that no one would find out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 11 minutes ago, SkisNH said: It's a shame that they have ruined the reliability of diesel trucks with this nonsense....if I had a diesel I would do a Def delete for sure. I’ve always taken you for a Powerstroke 6.0 kind of guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkisNH Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 Just now, spin_dry said: I’ve always taken you for a Powerstroke 6.0 kind of guy. Well once again you were wrong...keep up the good work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roosting Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 And yet just one container ship makes this look like mosquito farts in comparison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted June 7, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted June 7, 2023 3 hours ago, SkisNH said: It's a shame that they have ruined the reliability of diesel trucks with this nonsense....if I had a diesel I would do a Def delete for sure. They fucking destroyed diesels. Just picked mine up this afternoon after getting all that shit fixed just to get the check engine light to go out so it will pass inspection $3236 , obviously my last fucking oil burner. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted June 7, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted June 7, 2023 3 hours ago, spin_dry said: I’ve always taken you for a Powerstroke 6.0 kind of guy. Hey dont laugh , when they finally got the 6.0 right it rocked. Performance diesel guys still love that motor as it responds to mods better then any other. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayward Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 They should have given these guys an award for it not a penalty. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommcat Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 25 minutes ago, hayward said: They should have given these guys an award for it not a penalty. But they were involved in "a scheme to increase fuel mileage", what were they thinking!? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 50 minutes ago, steve from amherst said: Hey dont laugh , when they finally got the 6.0 right it rocked. Performance diesel guys still love that motor as it responds to mods better then any other. It’s all yours. I’ll go with the 7.3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted June 7, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted June 7, 2023 9 minutes ago, spin_dry said: It’s all yours. I’ll go with the 7.3. my 06 f 350 with the 6.0 was the best truck I ever had Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayward Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 1 hour ago, Tommcat said: But they were involved in "a scheme to increase fuel mileage", what were they thinking!? They were saving the planet and were repremanded for it by enviro nazi’s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayward Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 38 minutes ago, steve from amherst said: my 06 f 350 with the 6.0 was the best truck I ever had When they ran, look out! a fellow near here just p-pumped a 6.O in a pulling truck. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member EvilBird Posted June 8, 2023 Gold Member Share Posted June 8, 2023 Land of the Free ......or so they say Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teamgreen02 Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 These were semi trucks they were modifying. All the emissions era trucks will end up in the used market in Mexico and South America where they will promptly be deleted anyways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 (edited) I'm new truck shopping right now and diesels aren't even really in the picture. $10k more and the new era of gassers from GM and Ford with 10 gears are more than enough unless you're regularly towing over 15,000 lbs. No DEF, no DPF, no crazy complicated super high pressure injection system... and $10k buys a ton of gas so the fuel economy difference is moot. Edited June 8, 2023 by Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Steve753 Posted June 8, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted June 8, 2023 1 hour ago, Matt said: I'm new truck shopping right now and diesels aren't even really in the picture. $10k more and the new era of gassers from GM and Ford with 10 gears are more than enough unless you're regularly towing over 15,000 lbs. No DEF, no DPF, no crazy complicated super high pressure injection system... and $10k buys a ton of gas so the fuel economy difference is moot. I thought the same and went to a gas. Way harder on fuel towing even small loads and no power in the hills. I'll stay with a deisel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voodoo Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, Matt said: I'm new truck shopping right now and diesels aren't even really in the picture. $10k more and the new era of gassers from GM and Ford with 10 gears are more than enough unless you're regularly towing over 15,000 lbs. No DEF, no DPF, no crazy complicated super high pressure injection system... and $10k buys a ton of gas so the fuel economy difference is moot. Yes 2 hours ago, Steve753 said: I thought the same and went to a gas. Way harder on fuel towing even small loads and no power in the hills. I'll stay with a deisel. I sold my last diesel pre emissions. I agree on the power and towing, but the trade off on cost and reliability are just too much to ignore. When a new diesel goes in the shop you can pretty much start the cheque, 000.00 Whether there is one digit in front, or two digits is the only question. Edited June 8, 2023 by Voodoo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Steve753 Posted June 8, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted June 8, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, Voodoo said: Yes I sold my last diesel pre emissions. I agree on the power and towing, but the trade off on cost and reliability are just too much to ignore. When a new diesel goes in the shop you can pretty much start the cheque, 000.00 Whether there is one digit in front, or two digits is the only question. I don't keep them past warranty. I don't keep any vehicle past warranty for that matter. Only issues I've had on my non deleted deisels have been DEF related. Edited June 8, 2023 by Steve753 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 9 hours ago, Steve753 said: I thought the same and went to a gas. Way harder on fuel towing even small loads and no power in the hills. I'll stay with a deisel. I only tow my RV about 6000-8000 miles a year, and it's only a 26' travel trailer. Gasser will be fine for my needs. My little GM 5.3L actually does a surprisingly good job keeping it moving. 6% grades above 6000 feet of elevation, I'll let it drop down to about 50 MPH to save it a bit. I've been talking to people I know with similar sized setups with the new crop of big gassers, including the GM 10 speed, and they're rarely ever screaming above 3500 RPM. Don't get me wrong. I'd love a Duramax, but the complexity of modern diesels has flipped the reliability narrative on its head, and they're expensive. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Steve753 Posted June 8, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted June 8, 2023 1 minute ago, Matt said: I only tow my RV about 6000-8000 miles a year, and it's only a 26' travel trailer. Gasser will be fine for my needs. My little GM 5.3L actually does a surprisingly good job keeping it moving. 6% grades above 6000 feet of elevation, I'll let it drop down to about 50 MPH to save it a bit. I've been talking to people I know with similar sized setups with the new crop of big gassers, including the GM 10 speed, and they're rarely ever screaming above 3500 RPM. Don't get me wrong. I'd love a Duramax, but the complexity of modern diesels has flipped the reliability narrative on its head, and they're expensive. I've heard good things about the 6.2 with the 10 speed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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