Crnr2Crnr Posted May 31, 2023 Author Share Posted May 31, 2023 12 minutes ago, racer254 said: Should not be anything negotiated at this point. the Limit, Save, Grow Act should have been accepted by the democrats. But they don't want to accept not being able to spend spend spend. it's still $4T too high... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer254 Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 24 minutes ago, Crnr2Crnr said: it's still $4T too high... Sure, but the republican party is at least trying to stop that right now. And the dem party is just concentrating on blame rather than solutions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted May 31, 2023 Author Share Posted May 31, 2023 10 minutes ago, racer254 said: Sure, but the republican party is at least trying to stop that right now. And the dem party is just concentrating on blame rather than solutions. do you hear me disagreeing? but, I told you they'd both cave in because neither is willing to take responsibility for causing an economic crisis heading into 2024 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer254 Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 2 minutes ago, Crnr2Crnr said: do you hear me disagreeing? but, I told you they'd both cave in because neither is willing to take responsibility for causing an economic crisis heading into 2024 Oh, I agree, but which party followers are trying to vote differently to do something about it. That is why republicans have so many groups like the tea party caucus etc. Just trying to get a foot hold on stopping this type of spending behavior. I don't see any separation of the dems trying to do this. Do you? Why do you think I voted for Ross Perot, it was a period that I thought maybe an outside party guy could win. Now, I believe you have to use your votes to try and fix that from within the party rather than throw it at an independent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member SnowRider Posted May 31, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted May 31, 2023 3 hours ago, racer254 said: Sure, but the republican party is at least trying to stop that right now. And the dem party is just concentrating on blame rather than solutions. Why did the Repugs add debt when they controlled Congress and WH 2017-2018? And how come orange man owns 25% of the nations total debt? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member SnowRider Posted May 31, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted May 31, 2023 3 hours ago, Crnr2Crnr said: do you hear me disagreeing? but, I told you they'd both cave in because neither is willing to take responsibility for causing an economic crisis heading into 2024 That’s bullshit. Annual budget deficits are less under Dems - because they are willing to tax the ultra rich. Can you point me to the Repug trickle from the insane Repug tax cuts? The Repug economic formula is cut taxes and increase spending. You seem concerned but still consider yourself a traditional Repug? That ship sailed with Ronnie’s trickled-on policies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Steve753 Posted May 31, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted May 31, 2023 6 hours ago, racer254 said: Sure, but the republican party is at least trying to stop that right now. And the dem party is just concentrating on blame rather than solutions. They both blame each other and it's the same old shit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer254 Posted June 1, 2023 Share Posted June 1, 2023 15 hours ago, SnowRider said: That’s bullshit. Annual budget deficits are less under Dems - because they are willing to tax the ultra rich. Can you point me to the Repug trickle from the insane Repug tax cuts? The Repug economic formula is cut taxes and increase spending. You seem concerned but still consider yourself a traditional Repug? That ship sailed with Ronnie’s trickled-on policies. Your whole bullshit about taxing more to decrease deficits is a farse. It is a fact that taxes only work up to a certain point, after you reach that point it becomes just a detriment to society as a whole and actually negatively effects the economy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmo Posted June 1, 2023 Share Posted June 1, 2023 15 hours ago, SnowRider said: That’s bullshit. Annual budget deficits are less under Dems - because they are willing to tax the ultra rich. Can you point me to the Repug trickle from the insane Repug tax cuts? The Repug economic formula is cut taxes and increase spending. You seem concerned but still consider yourself a traditional Repug? That ship sailed with Ronnie’s trickled-on policies. You failed to mention revenue went up when taxes were cut. You’re a mental midget and a partisan fool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member SnowRider Posted June 1, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted June 1, 2023 16 minutes ago, racer254 said: Your whole bullshit about taxing more to decrease deficits is a farse. It is a fact that taxes only work up to a certain point, after you reach that point it becomes just a detriment to society as a whole and actually negatively effects the economy. Is that why America was relatively debt free to very little debt until the 80’s when Ronny cut taxes for the rich and corporations in the guise of trickle on economics? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member SnowRider Posted June 1, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted June 1, 2023 10 minutes ago, Edmo said: You failed to mention revenue went up when taxes were cut. You’re a mental midget and a partisan fool. Of course…..after revenues plunge they are going to increase Lotta good info if you look outside your echo chamber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmo Posted June 1, 2023 Share Posted June 1, 2023 8 minutes ago, SnowRider said: Of course…..after revenues plunge they are going to increase Lotta good info if you look outside your echo chamber There was no plunge when taxes were lowered. It’s gone up year over year. The last 4/5 presidents AND congress have dug this debt hole for us. Only an idiot would try to blame just one side. But here you are… 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer254 Posted June 1, 2023 Share Posted June 1, 2023 (edited) 53 minutes ago, SnowRider said: Is that why America was relatively debt free to very little debt until the 80’s when Ronny cut taxes for the rich and corporations in the guise of trickle on economics? If you look at the US Tax revenues, they don't match your little ginned up narrative as Edmo stated. It's a spending problem, not a revenue problem. It is very easy when looking at the numbers. Fiscal Year Revenue FY 2021 $4.05 trillion FY 2020 $3.42 trillion FY 2019 $3.46 trillion FY 2018 $3.33 trillion FY 2017 $3.32 trillion FY 2016 $3.27 trillion FY 2015 $3.25 trillion FY 2014 $3.02 trillion FY 2013 $2.78 trillion FY 2012 $2.45 trillion FY 2011 $2.30 trillion FY 2010 $2.16 trillion FY 2009 $2.11 trillion FY 2008 $2.52 trillion FY 2007 $2.57 trillion FY 2006 $2.41 trillion FY 2005 $2.15 trillion FY 2004 $1.88 trillion FY 2003 $1.78 trillion FY 2002 $1.85 trillion FY 2001 $1.99 trillion FY 2000 $2.03 trillion FY 1999 $1.83 trillion FY 1998 $1.72 trillion FY 1997 $1.58 trillion FY 1996 $1.45 trillion FY 1995 $1.35 trillion FY 1994 $1.26 trillion FY 1993 $1.15 trillion FY 1992 $1.09 trillion FY 1991 $1.06 trillion FY 1990 $1.03 trillion FY 1989 $991.1 billion FY1988 $909.2 billion FY 1987 $854.3 billion FY 1986 $769.2 billion FY 1985 $734.0 billion FY 1984 $666.4 billion FY 1983 $600.6 billion FY 1982 $617.8 billion FY 1981 $599.3 billion FY 1980 $517.1 billion FY 1979 $463.3 billion FY 1978 $399.6 billion FY 1977 $355.6 billion FY 1976 $298.1 billion FY 1975 $279.1 billion FY 1974 $263.2 billion FY 1973 $230.8 billion FY 1972 $207.3 billion FY 1971 $187.1 billion FY 1970 $192.8 billion FY 1969 $186.9 billion FY 1968 $153.0 billion FY 1967 $148.8 billion FY 1966 $130.8 billion FY 1965 $116.8 billion FY 1964 $112.6 billion FY 1963 $106.6 billion FY 1962 $99.7 billion Edited June 1, 2023 by racer254 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmo Posted June 1, 2023 Share Posted June 1, 2023 He keeps talking about trickle on. What do you call the Biden economy? Pummel us with inflation until the dollar is worth 25 cents? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer254 Posted June 1, 2023 Share Posted June 1, 2023 7 minutes ago, Edmo said: He keeps talking about trickle on. What do you call the Biden economy? Pummel us with inflation until the dollar is worth 25 cents? Oh, in his childish brain, funny little names for things that bother him help with coping. There are all kinds of examples on here. trickle on, magat's, etc. He hears it from some liberal political site, then comes on here with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted June 1, 2023 Author Share Posted June 1, 2023 17 hours ago, SnowRider said: That’s bullshit. Annual budget deficits are less under Dems - because they are willing to tax the ultra rich. Can you point me to the Repug trickle from the insane Repug tax cuts? The Repug economic formula is cut taxes and increase spending. You seem concerned but still consider yourself a traditional Repug? That ship sailed with Ronnie’s trickled-on policies. obviously you haven't read the preceding 13 pages of my posts on the matters being discussed. 14 hours ago, Steve753 said: They both blame each other and it's the same old shit. precisely we're still paying for Iraq and Afghanistan during Bush/Obama/Trump 51 minutes ago, Edmo said: There was no plunge when taxes were lowered. It’s gone up year over year. The last 4/5 presidents AND congress have dug this debt hole for us. Only an idiot would try to blame just one side. But here you are… let's not forget multiple people from both sides in the House and Senate haven't made an effort to do anything about it for a couple decades. 8 minutes ago, Edmo said: He keeps talking about trickle on. What do you call the Biden economy? Pummel us with inflation until the dollar is worth 25 cents? the current stem of inflation has far more to do with $20T in stimulus and excessively low interest rates for far too long than it has to do with Trump or Biden. IDK why people can't get that through their thick skulls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer254 Posted June 1, 2023 Share Posted June 1, 2023 7 minutes ago, Crnr2Crnr said: the current stem of inflation has far more to do with $20T in stimulus and excessively low interest rates for far too long than it has to do with Trump or Biden. IDK why people can't get that through their thick skulls. You can go back over pages and pages on this site. The same conservatives on this site (some are not on here any longer) were all warning about these "stimulus" bills for the last decade and how they were going to push inflation through the roof. There are a few that just fail to understand it, or just flat out won't acknowledge it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted June 1, 2023 Author Share Posted June 1, 2023 12 minutes ago, racer254 said: You can go back over pages and pages on this site. The same conservatives on this site (some are not on here any longer) were all warning about these "stimulus" bills for the last decade and how they were going to push inflation through the roof. There are a few that just fail to understand it, or just flat out won't acknowledge it. I'm sure. I would like to see an amendment that requires any future stimulus bill that's proposed must come with a crystal clear payment plan attached to it. We can't continue down this path as recent history has shown us. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deephaven Posted June 1, 2023 Share Posted June 1, 2023 27 minutes ago, Crnr2Crnr said: The current stem of inflation has far more to do with $20T in stimulus and excessively low interest rates for far too long than it has to do with Trump or Biden. IDK why people can't get that through their thick skulls. Absolutely and regardless of the president those bills would have been pushed and passed. Perhaps a slightly different dollar amount but even that is dubious as the president basically just didn't veto them. The cure to solving any problem is a plan and neither side has one, will discuss one with the other or even seems to want one. Instead they want to propose bandaids to push their political positions. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted June 1, 2023 Author Share Posted June 1, 2023 1 hour ago, Deephaven said: Absolutely and regardless of the president those bills would have been pushed and passed. Perhaps a slightly different dollar amount but even that is dubious as the president basically just didn't veto them. The cure to solving any problem is a plan and neither side has one, will discuss one with the other or even seems to want one. Instead they want to propose bandaids to push their political positions. correct we collectively aren't holding our elected officials to a high enough standard... yet we continue to empower two parties who continue to underperform and keep running up the credit card bill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plissken Posted June 1, 2023 Share Posted June 1, 2023 2 hours ago, racer254 said: If you look at the US Tax revenues, they don't match your little ginned up narrative as Edmo stated. It's a spending problem, not a revenue problem. It is very easy when looking at the numbers. Fiscal Year Revenue FY 2021 $4.05 trillion FY 2020 $3.42 trillion FY 2019 $3.46 trillion FY 2018 $3.33 trillion FY 2017 $3.32 trillion FY 2016 $3.27 trillion FY 2015 $3.25 trillion FY 2014 $3.02 trillion FY 2013 $2.78 trillion FY 2012 $2.45 trillion FY 2011 $2.30 trillion FY 2010 $2.16 trillion FY 2009 $2.11 trillion FY 2008 $2.52 trillion FY 2007 $2.57 trillion FY 2006 $2.41 trillion FY 2005 $2.15 trillion FY 2004 $1.88 trillion FY 2003 $1.78 trillion FY 2002 $1.85 trillion FY 2001 $1.99 trillion FY 2000 $2.03 trillion FY 1999 $1.83 trillion FY 1998 $1.72 trillion FY 1997 $1.58 trillion FY 1996 $1.45 trillion FY 1995 $1.35 trillion FY 1994 $1.26 trillion FY 1993 $1.15 trillion FY 1992 $1.09 trillion FY 1991 $1.06 trillion FY 1990 $1.03 trillion FY 1989 $991.1 billion FY1988 $909.2 billion FY 1987 $854.3 billion FY 1986 $769.2 billion FY 1985 $734.0 billion FY 1984 $666.4 billion FY 1983 $600.6 billion FY 1982 $617.8 billion FY 1981 $599.3 billion FY 1980 $517.1 billion FY 1979 $463.3 billion FY 1978 $399.6 billion FY 1977 $355.6 billion FY 1976 $298.1 billion FY 1975 $279.1 billion FY 1974 $263.2 billion FY 1973 $230.8 billion FY 1972 $207.3 billion FY 1971 $187.1 billion FY 1970 $192.8 billion FY 1969 $186.9 billion FY 1968 $153.0 billion FY 1967 $148.8 billion FY 1966 $130.8 billion FY 1965 $116.8 billion FY 1964 $112.6 billion FY 1963 $106.6 billion FY 1962 $99.7 billion When you look at revenue vs GDP though it does look like 1983 to 1988 were a little below average. And if we look at deficits, those do appear to climb during the 80’s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted June 1, 2023 Share Posted June 1, 2023 On 5/31/2023 at 10:02 AM, racer254 said: Sure, but the republican party is at least trying to stop that right now. And the dem party is just concentrating on blame rather than solutions. No they’re not. They just spout out horseshit for consumption by dummies like you. The republicans have no more inclination to stop the gravy train than the dems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer254 Posted June 1, 2023 Share Posted June 1, 2023 6 minutes ago, spin_dry said: No they’re not. They just spout out horseshit for consumption by dummies like you. The republicans have no more inclination to stop the gravy train than the dems. Well, name the last bill that democrats proposed that wanted to cut spending. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted June 1, 2023 Share Posted June 1, 2023 3 minutes ago, racer254 said: Well, name the last bill that democrats proposed that wanted to cut spending. Defunding the police and military. Several cities called for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted June 1, 2023 Author Share Posted June 1, 2023 14 minutes ago, racer254 said: Well, name the last bill that democrats proposed that wanted to cut spending. he can't, no one can because there isn't one. as I've said previously, if I were part of RNC leadership going into 2024 I would focus on economic matters in a manner that resonates with the common man and lay out a plan to focus upon lowering our debt and spending in a more logical and pragmatic manner. in other words, talking to the American taxpayers like a responsible adult. you let me know if they do anything remotely like that, ok? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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