Gold Member BOHICA Posted March 21, 2023 Gold Member Share Posted March 21, 2023 Don’t read any further if you can’t handle math and facts as it might trigger you into having a shit fit. https://insideevs.com/reviews/576032/model-3-vs-accord-cost/ total cost for an Accord Hybrid EX-L is $23,892 ($0.32 per mile) while the Accord Hybrid Touring comes in at $26,219 ($0.35 per mile). Factoring in the federal tax credit (and providing the owner can take full advantage of it), the Model 3's total cost comes down to $12,952 ($.17 per mile). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XCR1250 Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 EV are https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/scratched-ev-battery-your-insurer-may-have-junk-whole-car-2023-03-20/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 A loud pop echoed through the Walmart parking lot, an alarming sign that something was wrong. Cass Tippit had plugged his 2017 Chevrolet Bolt into an Electrify America public charging station in Chipley, Florida, and after about 15 minutes, he heard the noise and saw that the screen on the charger had gone dark. “The dashboard of the car lit up like a Christmas tree,” he said. Tippit unplugged the car, but the Bolt wouldn’t start. It left him stranded for hours and was the start of an ordeal that would last weeks. Across the country, Anson Long found himself in an eerily similar predicament. He connected his 2022 Rivian R1T truck to an Electrify America charging station at the Fashion Valley Mall in San Diego. As he and his friend started to head to the mall, “We hear a loud boom, an explosive-type sound,” Long said. “We look back and see a black cloud of smoke come out” of the power unit next to the charging station. Long rushed back to his car and stopped the charging. He tried to remove the plug from the charging port, but it wouldn’t come out. He, too, was stranded for hours and found himself chasing a solution for weeks. https://www.vox.com/climate/23589785/ev-dc-fast-charging-station-battery-electric-tesla-rivian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member BOHICA Posted March 21, 2023 Author Gold Member Share Posted March 21, 2023 A Tesla pretty much cost 1/2 of what a base model accord cost over 5 years of ownership. 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XCR1250 Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 Electric vehicles are among the least reliable cars and trucks in the automotive industry today, according to Consumer Reports rankings released Tuesday. Reliability issues with all-electric vehicles were expected, since most automakers, with the exception of early EV leader Tesla, launched fully electric models just in recent years. Consumer Reports surveyed owners of more than 300,000 vehicles to make predictions about the reliability of 2023 model year vehicles. WATCH NOW VIDEO02:09 The most reliable vehicles according to consumers Electric vehicles are among the least reliable cars and trucks in the automotive industry today, according to Consumer Reports rankings released Tuesday. When compared with hybrid and gas-powered cars and trucks, electric vehicles powered entirely by batteries were the worst-performing segment, aside from traditional full-size pickup trucks, according to Consumer Reports. Reliability issues with electric vehicles were expected, since most automakers, with the exception of early EV leader Tesla, launched fully electric models in recent years, said Jake Fisher, senior director of auto testing at Consumer Reports. He said companies have not had time to iron out issues that impact reliability. Krisztian Bocsi | Bloomberg Creative Photos | Getty Images Since electric car buyers tend to be tech-loving early adopters, automakers also pack the models with a host of other features, which could also lead to problems. “The automakers are using EVs as a technological testbed for whatever new technology they want to try out,” Fisher told CNBC. “By having all this new technology, there’s a lot of potential problems with them.” Consumer Reports surveyed owners of more than 300,000 vehicles from model years 2000 to 2022 and used that data to make predictions about the reliability of 2023 model year vehicles. Electric models comprised a bigger portion in the rankings than ever before. State and federal incentives and new environmental regulations have encouraged greater adoption of fully electric cars in and outside the U.S., in large part to try to reduce air pollution from transportation. According to the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, charging a hybrid or fully electric vehicle can cause pollution at the power plant, but total emissions from driving the cars are lower than from gasoline-powered cars. Electric vehicles can also become “greener” over time as power supplied from clean or renewable resources such as nuclear, solar and wind increases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The One Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 Does no one remember the fuel crisis ? Many changed to electric heat with promise of cheap heating !!! Do some research and BOOST on how it worked out !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecat Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 Should have kept the horses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ez ryder Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 16 hours ago, BOHICA said: Don’t read any further if you can’t handle math and facts as it might trigger you into having a shit fit. https://insideevs.com/reviews/576032/model-3-vs-accord-cost/ total cost for an Accord Hybrid EX-L is $23,892 ($0.32 per mile) while the Accord Hybrid Touring comes in at $26,219 ($0.35 per mile). Factoring in the federal tax credit (and providing the owner can take full advantage of it), the Model 3's total cost comes down to $12,952 ($.17 per mile). Better question what kind if limp wrist cuck even concerned buying a accord in the first place ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 There aren’t many sedans that look better a Model S Neal 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted March 22, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted March 22, 2023 (edited) 20 hours ago, BOHICA said: Don’t read any further if you can’t handle math and facts as it might trigger you into having a shit fit. https://insideevs.com/reviews/576032/model-3-vs-accord-cost/ total cost for an Accord Hybrid EX-L is $23,892 ($0.32 per mile) while the Accord Hybrid Touring comes in at $26,219 ($0.35 per mile). Factoring in the federal tax credit (and providing the owner can take full advantage of it), the Model 3's total cost comes down to $12,952 ($.17 per mile). Factoring in the federal tax credit Edited March 22, 2023 by Highmark 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deephaven Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 18 minutes ago, Highmark said: Factoring in the federal tax credit Yep, needs a subsidy and is still a major pos compared to the accord 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member BOHICA Posted March 22, 2023 Author Gold Member Share Posted March 22, 2023 (edited) 5 hours ago, Deephaven said: Yep, needs a subsidy and is still a major pos compared to the accord Allowing people to keep more of their own money is not a subsidy…. It’s just a less theft of peoples money via taxation Edited March 22, 2023 by BOHICA 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deephaven Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 7 minutes ago, BOHICA said: Allowing people to keep more of their own money is not a subsidy…. It’s just a less left of peoples money via taxation A tax credit is not a subsidy? So it isn't encouraging people to buy electric cars and therefore subsidizing the idea of a purchase of one? Are you seriously that blind? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Vandelay Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 The EV tax credits unless changed recently are only available to people with large tax liabilities. As such it is only available to those with large incomes. So the poor subsidize the rich's vanity cars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member BOHICA Posted March 22, 2023 Author Gold Member Share Posted March 22, 2023 15 minutes ago, Deephaven said: A tax credit is not a subsidy? So it isn't encouraging people to buy electric cars and therefore subsidizing the idea of a purchase of one? Are you seriously that blind? Its a non refundable tax credit which isn’t a subsidy. It just an avenue for people to not allow theft through taxation of their money. it’s exactly like a business deductions and credits that allow business to reduce their tax burden by purchasing items. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deephaven Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 46 minutes ago, BOHICA said: Its a non refundable tax credit which isn’t a subsidy. It just an avenue for people to not allow theft through taxation of their money. it’s exactly like a business deductions and credits that allow business to reduce their tax burden by purchasing items. God you are brainwashed by the eV nonsense. sub·si·dy /ˈsəbsədē/ See definitions in: noun 1. a sum of money granted by the government or a public body to assist an industry or business so that the price of a commodity or service may remain low or competitive. "a farm subsidy" Removing the liability of tax is the same as giving someone a check for the same amount. ie, they don't pay it therefore they keep it. The whole point of the tax credit was meant to subsidize the purchase of eV's since they couldn't make it on their own without it. Calling it not a subsidy is completely idiotic. The government definitely granted money to make people buy eVs. This is exactly what this is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member BOHICA Posted March 22, 2023 Author Gold Member Share Posted March 22, 2023 43 minutes ago, Deephaven said: God you are brainwashed by the eV nonsense. sub·si·dy /ˈsəbsədē/ See definitions in: noun 1. a sum of money granted by the government or a public body to assist an industry or business so that the price of a commodity or service may remain low or competitive. "a farm subsidy" Removing the liability of tax is the same as giving someone a check for the same amount. ie, they don't pay it therefore they keep it. The whole point of the tax credit was meant to subsidize the purchase of eV's since they couldn't make it on their own without it. Calling it not a subsidy is completely idiotic. The government definitely granted money to make people buy eVs. This is exactly what this is. Tax breaks, or tax incentives, are a way for a government to reduce the tax burden of a specific firm or company. There are many different forms of tax incentives, such as tax exemptions, tax reductions, tax rebates and refunds, and tax credits. These tax incentives almost always have qualifications that the firm must meet, and these qualifications are often aimed at incentivizing specific behavior. One example in Arkansas of a tax incentive is Advantage Arkansas, which is an income tax credit given to firms based on the payroll of new, full-time employees to the firm. Subsidies are much different than tax incentives; rather than reducing how much a firm owes, subsidies directly give money to the firm. Much like tax incentives, subsidies are a way for the government to reduce the cost of doing business. Arkansas often gives subsidies like this through the Governor’s Quick Action Closing Fund (QACF). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Skidooski Posted March 22, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted March 22, 2023 Good looking cars sure but uh…. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deephaven Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 4 minutes ago, BOHICA said: Tax breaks, or tax incentives, are a way for a government to reduce the tax burden of a specific firm or company. There are many different forms of tax incentives, such as tax exemptions, tax reductions, tax rebates and refunds, and tax credits. These tax incentives almost always have qualifications that the firm must meet, and these qualifications are often aimed at incentivizing specific behavior. One example in Arkansas of a tax incentive is Advantage Arkansas, which is an income tax credit given to firms based on the payroll of new, full-time employees to the firm. Subsidies are much different than tax incentives; rather than reducing how much a firm owes, subsidies directly give money to the firm. Much like tax incentives, subsidies are a way for the government to reduce the cost of doing business. Arkansas often gives subsidies like this through the Governor’s Quick Action Closing Fund (QACF). So you are trying to imply the government is not subsidizing the purchases of electric vehicles? Regardless of the mechanism they are absolutely making them more affordable by subsidizing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member BOHICA Posted March 22, 2023 Author Gold Member Share Posted March 22, 2023 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Deephaven said: So you are trying to imply the government is not subsidizing the purchases of electric vehicles? Regardless of the mechanism they are absolutely making them more affordable by subsidizing. Nope. If you don’t have enough tax liability there is no tax credit for an EV. A subsidy would be the gov writing you a check after the fact even though you have 0 income tax obligation. income taxes are just individuals and businesses money that the government takes. For example an oil company drills a well and hits a blank…. The money they spent on the well is a tax incentive as it lowers how much money they have to pay in taxes…. Are you implying that situation for an oil company is a subsidy???? Edited March 22, 2023 by BOHICA 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deephaven Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 Your analogy is completely off target. Tax incentives in nature are not subsidies, but when a tax break is given as a goal to incentivize a purchase it is most definitely a subsidy. ie, the government had no belief people would buy electric cars at their current price so for certain people they lowered the price. Thinking this isn't subsidizing the growth of eV's is hilarious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member BOHICA Posted March 22, 2023 Author Gold Member Share Posted March 22, 2023 15 minutes ago, Deephaven said: Your analogy is completely off target. Tax incentives in nature are not subsidies, but when a tax break is given as a goal to incentivize a purchase it is most definitely a subsidy. ie, the government had no belief people would buy electric cars at their current price so for certain people they lowered the price. Thinking this isn't subsidizing the growth of eV's is hilarious. Non refundableTax credits for business and individuals is a tax incentive. It allows individuals and business to keep more of their own money after an expenditure vs giving up it up via taxes vs paid to government Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member BOHICA Posted March 22, 2023 Author Gold Member Share Posted March 22, 2023 Would anything in this link be a subsidy? I think not…. Just tax credits that let businesses and investors keep more of their own money vs giving it to the government via taxation https://www.investopedia.com/articles/07/oil-tax-break.asp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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