wrinkly balls Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 3 hours ago, Crnr2Crnr said: just opinion but I'm thinking the racers are the only ones that will initially be able to get the 129's because 66% of the retail buying public has bought into the 137 bridge bumping horse shit. limited edition Procross RXC 800 is an interesting theory and something they should have been selling all along... instead of a 'replica' I'm not about to be a first year engine or chassis guinea pig. I'll let @Not greg b do it. Kale from Dickinsider said the Rxc would be 137 only. Also said the 129 skid was All New and a Blast to ride!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AK440 Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 ‘23 is going to be the biggest kick in the nuts, LACK of sales event the the OEM’s have experienced since the early 80’s. The economy sucks, high interest rates, lack of snow in many areas in the lower 48, super late delivery dates and then piss poor set up by dealers last year have left many buyers with zero fricking desire to buy a new sled or even look to see what’s coming out. Last week I was having a hell of a time trying to find release dates for the OEM’s. The only one that kept popping up right away was Cat for sometime in March. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krom Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, AK440 said: ‘23 is going to be the biggest kick in the nuts, LACK of sales event the the OEM’s have experienced since the early 80’s. The economy sucks, high interest rates, lack of snow in many areas in the lower 48, super late delivery dates and then piss poor set up by dealers last year have left many buyers with zero fricking desire to buy a new sled or even look to see what’s coming out. Last week I was having a hell of a time trying to find release dates for the OEM’s. The only one that kept popping up right away was Cat for sometime in March. Yup, other than TRF everyone else in the industry is expecting a down year, one of the biggest distributors in the country would consider it a massive victory to break even next year, they are planning on loosing money. AC is March 7 for the public, Feb 22 for dealers.. Club BRP ski doo release is February 20 at 8:30 p.m https://www.facebook.com/brpinfo/videos/5764377936993904 not sure about poo. Around here the doo dealers are buried in inventory, guys are walking away from their late spring orders, giving up their $500. The economy has crashed, and interest rates sky rocketed since they ordered, and we haven't had ridable snow within an hour of me since late December (when the trails were closed because of a first time ever holiday hunting season) Local poo dealers seem to have quite a few units on the floor too, including several boost sleds. Edited February 18, 2023 by krom 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not greg b Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, krom said: Yup, other than TRF everyone else in the industry is expecting a down year, one of the biggest distributors in the country would consider it a massive victory to break even next year, they are planning on loosing money. AC is March 7 for the public, Feb 22 for dealers.. Club BRP ski doo release is February 20 at 8:30 p.m https://www.facebook.com/brpinfo/videos/5764377936993904 not sure about poo. Around here the doo dealers are buried in inventory, guys are walking away from their late spring orders, giving up their $500. The economy has crashed, and interest rates sky rocketed since they ordered, and we haven't had ridable snow within an hour of me since late December (when the trails were closed because of a first time ever holiday hunting season) Local poo dealers seem to have quite a few units on the floor too, including several boost sleds. Yep last year my q1 was record breaking. This year worst first 2 months in company history. What caused it? All the shit they ordered a year ago hit the ground end of season and no one needed to order anything for this season. On the plus side, pricing stabilized mid year 2022 and availability went from a year plus to a few weeks. it’s gonna be a rough year until the inventory heard is thinned out. Edited February 18, 2023 by Not greg b 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mnstang Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 10 hours ago, Crnr2Crnr said: He's playing with his mustard bucket... What a fag probably playing with adjustable skis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not greg b Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 25 minutes ago, mnstang said: What a fag probably playing with adjustable skis He has a sno cross racer. He is finding the best way to chisel ice off his adjusters in the skid. We came to the conclusion a hammer and screw diver works the best as you can buy new parts any day of the week. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted February 18, 2023 Author Share Posted February 18, 2023 5 hours ago, mnstang said: What a fag probably playing with adjustable skis no, he bought a new Doo SX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mnstang Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 From the company who has stupid adjustable skis. He's probably doing some other anal acts with the gaymobile. Rotaxing or something. Bracing. Pretending he's a kinky gay foreign racer. Etc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted February 18, 2023 Author Share Posted February 18, 2023 1 hour ago, mnstang said: From the company who has stupid adjustable skis. He's probably doing some other anal acts with the gaymobile. Rotaxing or something. Bracing. Pretending he's a kinky gay foreign racer. Etc probably blowing out the clutches with an unregulated air hose... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted February 18, 2023 Author Share Posted February 18, 2023 2013... sounds like 2024 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teamgreen02 Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 On 2/17/2023 at 4:53 AM, Crnr2Crnr said: Lynx and Doo to unveil Feb 20th https://fb.watch/iL5bl_xtDU/ https://www.facebook.com/events/733169861695339?ref=newsfeed speaking with the local BRP dealer this past fall, they didn't order or sell one 2023 Lynx for any customers or their floor and basically stated that people here buy an XRS and complain it's too stiff. was Lynx literally a one year wonder over here? who else is unveiling their 2024 lineup and when? predictions? 23 hours ago, Crnr2Crnr said: He's playing with his mustard bucket... He figure out what all those screws are for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted February 18, 2023 Author Share Posted February 18, 2023 13 minutes ago, teamgreen02 said: He figure out what all those screws are for? red is hot blue is cold silver is main shut off 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted February 18, 2023 Author Share Posted February 18, 2023 18 hours ago, krom said: Around here the doo dealers are buried in inventory, guys are walking away from their late spring orders, giving up their $500. The economy has crashed, and interest rates sky rocketed since they ordered, and we haven't had ridable snow within an hour of me since late December (when the trails were closed because of a first time ever holiday hunting season) Local poo dealers seem to have quite a few units on the floor too, including several boost sleds. haven't done this in a while... but here's a 'new' nationwide machine count from one source new Cat - 26 https://www.snowmobiletrader.com/New-Arctic-Cat/snowmobiles-for-sale?make=Arctic Cat|2315236&condition=N&seller_type=dealer new Yamaha - 68 https://www.snowmobiletrader.com/New-Yamaha/snowmobiles-for-sale?make=Yamaha|2321194&condition=N&seller_type=dealer new Doo - 1,460 https://www.snowmobiletrader.com/New-Ski-Doo/snowmobiles-for-sale?make=Ski-Doo|326747&condition=N&seller_type=dealer new Poo - 1,260 https://www.snowmobiletrader.com/New-Polaris/snowmobiles-for-sale?make=Polaris|2319876&condition=N&seller_type=dealer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted February 18, 2023 Author Share Posted February 18, 2023 (edited) Troy Halvorson is doing an informercial right now on the ISOC broadcast... Edited February 18, 2023 by Crnr2Crnr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AK440 Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 22 minutes ago, Crnr2Crnr said: haven't done this in a while... but here's a 'new' nationwide machine count from one source new Cat - 26 https://www.snowmobiletrader.com/New-Arctic-Cat/snowmobiles-for-sale?make=Arctic Cat|2315236&condition=N&seller_type=dealer new Yamaha - 68 https://www.snowmobiletrader.com/New-Yamaha/snowmobiles-for-sale?make=Yamaha|2321194&condition=N&seller_type=dealer new Doo - 1,460 https://www.snowmobiletrader.com/New-Ski-Doo/snowmobiles-for-sale?make=Ski-Doo|326747&condition=N&seller_type=dealer new Poo - 1,260 https://www.snowmobiletrader.com/New-Polaris/snowmobiles-for-sale?make=Polaris|2319876&condition=N&seller_type=dealer It makes sense to follow current market share but I don’t understand why Cat and Yamaha are flipped? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted February 18, 2023 Author Share Posted February 18, 2023 4 minutes ago, AK440 said: It makes sense to follow current market share but I don’t understand why Cat and Yamaha are flipped? less desirable models? Poo & Doo sure have some units to move... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not greg b Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 26 minutes ago, AK440 said: It makes sense to follow current market share but I don’t understand why Cat and Yamaha are flipped? 1/2 of them are pre order ads from last spring the dealers never took down. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted February 18, 2023 Author Share Posted February 18, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Not greg b said: 1/2 of them are pre order ads from last spring the dealers never took down. idk as I'm not about to sit and research it all, but even if you are correct that's still 600 or 700 new sleds for P&D getting floor planned. isn't Mies Outland a big MN Powersports Dealer? 75 in St Cloud/Watkins https://www.miesoutlandstcloud.com/--inventory?category=snowmobile&condition=new&pg=1 Kens shows 75 https://kenssports.com/Showroom/New-Inventory/New/Snowmobiles (7 Cats) (68 Polaris) Edited February 18, 2023 by Crnr2Crnr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdsky Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 The dealers I work with don't have that kind of inventory. The largest of the two has 5 new Doo's in stock (2 summits and 3 backcountrys - no trail sleds) and 5 Poos in stock (2 of those are Boosts). They have 3 Doos showing incoming and 5 Poos incoming with 3 of the Poos being the 4 stroke model. Last season he had to turn away a ton of spring orders on Doos because of limited allocations. Yes, the interest rates and economy will likely slow things down but I'm guessing he will still take orders for everything he can get from them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted February 18, 2023 Author Share Posted February 18, 2023 11 minutes ago, jdsky said: The dealers I work with don't have that kind of inventory. The largest of the two has 5 new Doo's in stock (2 summits and 3 backcountrys - no trail sleds) and 5 Poos in stock (2 of those are Boosts). They have 3 Doos showing incoming and 5 Poos incoming with 3 of the Poos being the 4 stroke model. Last season he had to turn away a ton of spring orders on Doos because of limited allocations. Yes, the interest rates and economy will likely slow things down but I'm guessing he will still take orders for everything he can get from them. closest multi-line dealer to me (BRP/Pol/Yam) has 15... all trail sleds. https://antigoyamaha.com/Showroom/Current-New-Inventory/New/Snowmobiles it's sort of hilarious looking at Ken's, Mies, etc and how many off trail sleds they have. what percentage of riders from MI/WI/MN go out west riding? @Not greg b could use one of these to pose with in da Yoop https://www.ecklundmotorsports.com/New-Inventory-2023-Ski-Doo-Snowmobile-Summit-Edge-Rotax-850-E-TEC-154-SS-H-Alt-PowderMax-3-0-Grey-Ecklund-Motorsports-13313829?ref=list Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krom Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, jdsky said: The dealers I work with don't have that kind of inventory. The largest of the two has 5 new Doo's in stock (2 summits and 3 backcountrys - no trail sleds) and 5 Poos in stock (2 of those are Boosts). They have 3 Doos showing incoming and 5 Poos incoming with 3 of the Poos being the 4 stroke model. Last season he had to turn away a ton of spring orders on Doos because of limited allocations. Yes, the interest rates and economy will likely slow things down but I'm guessing he will still take orders for everything he can get from them. Local Cat dealer has 0, doo has 34 (doo knows they are in trouble offering $2,000 in rebates on current year sleds), poo dealer has 32, Yami 0. Edited February 18, 2023 by krom 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted February 19, 2023 Author Share Posted February 19, 2023 1 hour ago, krom said: Local Cat dealer has 0, doo has 34 (doo knows they are in trouble offering $2,000 in rebates on current year sleds), poo dealer has 32, Yami 0. who's your local Cat dealer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sled_Hed Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 My local cat dealer only has 2 USED sleds and 0 new. I was hoping he would have something newer to at least sit on but the used are M6000's so not interested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdsky Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, krom said: Local Cat dealer has 0, doo has 34 (doo knows they are in trouble offering $2,000 in rebates on current year sleds), poo dealer has 32, Yami 0. This is the only US offer I am seeing from Doo and it does not include any rebates.... But, how would this be a bad thing anyway? Rebates were something everyone looked forward to pre-scamdemic and Doo always started offering them in early January. As a consumer getting back to dealers having excess inventory and factory rebates is a sign of getting back to some sort of normal market conditions. I'm sick and fucking tired of the situation where you are begging a dealer for a chance at a Spring order at full MSRP and that MSRP is fucking $20K plus. That shit needs to be done. I'm not surprised Cat has zero inventory. You have to build sleds to have them sitting in inventory. Edited February 19, 2023 by jdsky 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mnstang Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 3 hours ago, Crnr2Crnr said: closest multi-line dealer to me (BRP/Pol/Yam) has 15... all trail sleds. https://antigoyamaha.com/Showroom/Current-New-Inventory/New/Snowmobiles it's sort of hilarious looking at Ken's, Mies, etc and how many off trail sleds they have. what percentage of riders from MI/WI/MN go out west riding? @Not greg b could use one of these to pose with in da Yoop https://www.ecklundmotorsports.com/New-Inventory-2023-Ski-Doo-Snowmobile-Summit-Edge-Rotax-850-E-TEC-154-SS-H-Alt-PowderMax-3-0-Grey-Ecklund-Motorsports-13313829?ref=list There are alot of Midwest people that go out West. Not that you need to go out West to purchase, or use, an off trail machine for Midwest residents. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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