Crnr2Crnr Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 (edited) very happy with the setup in both of my machines, but always willing to listen to someone that does it for a living. good info starting @ the 50:00 mark for many... 1st year Indy Axys XCR owners never seemed to get it from what I recall. more Polaris @ 1:53:00 and 1:59:00 on more Axys LOT of good talk about limiter strap adjustment. Edited November 27, 2022 by Crnr2Crnr 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not greg b Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 1 hour ago, Crnr2Crnr said: very happy with the setup in both of my machines, but always willing to listen to someone that does it for a living. good info starting @ the 50:00 mark for many... 1st year Indy Axys XCR owners never seemed to get it from what I recall. more Polaris @ 1:53:00 and 1:59:00 on more Axys Air shocks suck but you don’t have to rebuild them because they are incased by the air sleeve. I was told Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted November 27, 2022 Author Share Posted November 27, 2022 8 minutes ago, Not greg b said: Air shocks suck but you don’t have to rebuild them because they are incased by the air sleeve. I was told he shoots some holes in the air shocks and bERgStrOM tRiiPlE pOinTs anD sHimS... nothing about snow trackers though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racinfarmer Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 4 hours of this? I'll call my shock guy and get the downlow in like 5 minutes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not greg b Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 8 minutes ago, racinfarmer said: 4 hours of this? I'll call my shock guy and get the downlow in like 5 minutes. Jim will have more knowledge 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted November 28, 2022 Author Share Posted November 28, 2022 (edited) 23 minutes ago, racinfarmer said: 4 hours of this? I'll call my shock guy and get the downlow in like 5 minutes. actually, there's a lot about springs and several other aspects than just shocks... it's also a lot about how poorly skidoo's are set up guy has a substantial background, I've found it interesting enough to post it here... Edited November 28, 2022 by Crnr2Crnr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not greg b Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Crnr2Crnr said: actually, there's a lot about springs and several other aspects than just shocks... it's also a lot about how poorly skidoo's are set up guy has a substantial background, I've found it interesting enough to post it here... I thought the trick to riding a skidoo was to hold it wide open and use the brake to adjust your speed?? Edited November 28, 2022 by Not greg b 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racinfarmer Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 9 minutes ago, Crnr2Crnr said: actually, there's a lot about springs and several other aspects than just shocks... it's also a lot about how poorly skidoo's are set up guy has a substantial background, I've found it interesting enough to post it here... I'll get through it, but I'll need more beer then what I have on hand. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted November 28, 2022 Author Share Posted November 28, 2022 2 minutes ago, Not greg b said: I thought the trick to riding a skidoo was to hold it wide open and use the brake to adjust your speed?? only Elias apparently there's a LOT of overweight snowmobilers... but the manu's put in one spring set for EVERYONE!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racinfarmer Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 4 minutes ago, Not greg b said: I thought the trick to riding a skidoo was to hold it wide open and use the brake to adjust your speed?? You won't make it to the next fuel stop riding like that, assuming your belt doesn't explode first from the clutch heat. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted November 28, 2022 Author Share Posted November 28, 2022 Just now, racinfarmer said: I'll get through it, but I'll need more beer then what I have on hand. Vodka, Whiskey, whatever it takes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racinfarmer Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 The discussion around the 50 minute mark is pretty good. The FB and HCS wet brains could learn a few things. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted November 28, 2022 Author Share Posted November 28, 2022 3 minutes ago, racinfarmer said: The discussion around the 50 minute mark is pretty good. The FB and HCS wet brains could learn a few things. it gets better... there's some stupid stuff but he gives up a bunch of good info most wouldn't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not greg b Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 33 minutes ago, racinfarmer said: You won't make it to the next fuel stop riding like that, assuming your belt doesn't explode first from the clutch heat. It’s only got last 12 laps or so. Brake pads are usually smoked I am assuming Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mnstang Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 I listened a couple minutes at the 50 mark. Didn't seem too groundbreaking. I didn't like how he talked about lifting up the sled and seeing how the front of track touches first. That really doesn't matter. It could touch a foot before but if there's no spring in there and it collapses with 2 lbs of pressure, the sled won't fulcrum on the center just because its the first to touch the ground. He later goes on to say he scales four positions and changes the spring, that's better. I've just seen guys on the FB that seem to go off that test of seeing what touches first, it doesn't matter, you're not riding down the trail like that in a completely unloaded position with no sag. Does seem like everything always has to be loosened at the front skid. I wonder why the oems do that? I'd guess so maybe it steers easier, and wheelies better for the fun factor bros because it really does seem like that's what 99% of FB guys care about. Even some of those YouTubers that is how they ride they tiptoe through corners and straighten it out and then let the big 850 rip. But to corner the front has to be planted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racinfarmer Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 13 minutes ago, mnstang said: I listened a couple minutes at the 50 mark. Didn't seem too groundbreaking. I didn't like how he talked about lifting up the sled and seeing how the front of track touches first. That really doesn't matter. It could touch a foot before but if there's no spring in there and it collapses with 2 lbs of pressure, the sled won't fulcrum on the center just because its the first to touch the ground. He later goes on to say he scales four positions and changes the spring, that's better. I've just seen guys on the FB that seem to go off that test of seeing what touches first, it doesn't matter, you're not riding down the trail like that in a completely unloaded position with no sag. Does seem like everything always has to be loosened at the front skid. I wonder why the oems do that? I'd guess so maybe it steers easier, and wheelies better for the fun factor bros because it really does seem like that's what 99% of FB guys care about. Even some of those YouTubers that is how they ride they tiptoe through corners and straighten it out and then let the big 850 rip. But to corner the front has to be planted. That is a majority of riders I come across on the trail. Point and shoot, then mountain sled it around the corners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AK440 Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 9 minutes ago, mnstang said: I listened a couple minutes at the 50 mark. Didn't seem too groundbreaking. I didn't like how he talked about lifting up the sled and seeing how the front of track touches first. That really doesn't matter. It could touch a foot before but if there's no spring in there and it collapses with 2 lbs of pressure, the sled won't fulcrum on the center just because its the first to touch the ground. He later goes on to say he scales four positions and changes the spring, that's better. I've just seen guys on the FB that seem to go off that test of seeing what touches first, it doesn't matter, you're not riding down the trail like that in a completely unloaded position with no sag. Does seem like everything always has to be loosened at the front skid. I wonder why the oems do that? I'd guess so maybe it steers easier, and wheelies better for the fun factor bros because it really does seem like that's what 99% of FB guys care about. Even some of those YouTubers that is how they ride they tiptoe through corners and straighten it out and then let the big 850 rip. But to corner the front has to be planted. Wow. Is that what it takes to beat a 20 year old Pro-X on a smoothed out sno-x track in the bitchthang class? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mnstang Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 1 minute ago, AK440 said: Wow. Is that what it takes to beat a 20 year old Pro-X on a smoothed out sno-x track in the bitchthang class? Can you clarify your question? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AK440 Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 3 minutes ago, mnstang said: Can you clarify your question? Yeah, yeah, could you tell the the class what you do to your sled to race teenagers in the bitch class? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mnstang Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 1 minute ago, AK440 said: Yeah, yeah, could you tell the the class what you do to your sled to race teenagers in the bitch class? This thread is not the place for how I set up my sled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racinfarmer Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 3 minutes ago, mnstang said: This thread is not the place for how I set up my sled. The cheese has slipped off the cracker. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted November 28, 2022 Author Share Posted November 28, 2022 8 hours ago, mnstang said: I listened a couple minutes at the 50 mark. Didn't seem too groundbreaking. I didn't like how he talked about lifting up the sled and seeing how the front of track touches first. That really doesn't matter. It could touch a foot before but if there's no spring in there and it collapses with 2 lbs of pressure, the sled won't fulcrum on the center just because its the first to touch the ground. He later goes on to say he scales four positions and changes the spring, that's better. I've just seen guys on the FB that seem to go off that test of seeing what touches first, it doesn't matter, you're not riding down the trail like that in a completely unloaded position with no sag. Does seem like everything always has to be loosened at the front skid. I wonder why the oems do that? I'd guess so maybe it steers easier, and wheelies better for the fun factor bros because it really does seem like that's what 99% of FB guys care about. Even some of those YouTubers that is how they ride they tiptoe through corners and straighten it out and then let the big 850 rip. But to corner the front has to be planted. his setups focus on lowered ride height for much better trail handling but with the spring combos they can still take a hit. Skidoos apparently need a lot more help than Polaris... very little about Cat/Yamaha though as Procross Cat's corner well out of the box. a few times he basically says if you're more than 165lbs, the springs in your $15k sled are too light. the limiter info he provides, I completely agree with and have the adjustable on one of mine and it absolutely makes dialing things in easier. 7 hours ago, racinfarmer said: The cheese has slipped off the cracker. are you sure it's even cheese? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sled_Hed Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 1 hour ago, Crnr2Crnr said: his setups focus on lowered ride height for much better trail handling but with the spring combos they can still take a hit. Skidoos apparently need a lot more help than Polaris... very little about Cat/Yamaha though as Procross Cat's corner well out of the box. a few times he basically says if you're more than 165lbs, the springs in your $15k sled are too light. the limiter info he provides, I completely agree with and have the adjustable on one of mine and it absolutely makes dialing things in easier. are you sure it's even cheese? Fromunda 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted November 28, 2022 Author Share Posted November 28, 2022 9 hours ago, AK440 said: Yeah, yeah, could you tell the the class what you do to your sled to race teenagers in the bitch class? how about you tell us about your amazing snowmobile wrenching and racing experience/qualifications to smack talk others here for a change? you either have some or you don't... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deephaven Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 I bet don't. Either way watch him run from the convo or jump into personal attacks to try to divert it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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