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9 hours ago, Anler said:

Application was denied. Despite NATO already being involved with money, weapons, aid, Intelligence and political instruction....

So NATO is willing to help fight Russia but they aren't willing to expose themselves to any casualties. Tells you right there how they feel about the Ukrainian people. You all fight and die, we are just going to sit back here. 

More mis-information.....they were not denied. They will become a member in due time. Good job Putin in expanding Nato.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/nine-european-leaders-announce-support-for-ukraine-e2-80-99s-bid-to-join-nato/ar-AA12xTJE

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Here are five reasons why Ukraine is unlikely to be joining NATO any time soon.

1. It risks a wider war

Being at war complicates the picture. 

Under Article 5 of NATO’s collective defense agreement, if one member state is attacked all the others must consider this an attack on themselves and come to their ally's aid. 

What this means is that if Ukraine joined NATO while still at war with Russia, Article 5 would be triggered. 

2. NATO membership is 'not necessary' for Ukraine

NATO is already committed to Ukraine. 

Alongside the tens of billions of euros in military and financial aid from individual NATO member states, the alliance itself provides huge support to Ukraine, coordinating this bilateral assistance and the delivery of humanitarian and non-lethal aid.

3. Ukraine is ‘not ready’ for NATO membership

Before they can join NATO, countries must first meet certain economic, political and military standards.

According to Prof Williams, Ukraine remains a "good way" from fulfilling these membership criteria, pointing to "problems" with the country's "democratic institutions" and "anti-corruption processes". 

4. It's difficult to get all NATO members to back Ukraine's bid

Under NATO rules, new members can only be admitted if all 30 members agree. Even if one disagrees it can obstruct -- or even derail -- the whole process.

Sweden and Finland have encountered this difficulty with their own NATO membership requests, with Turkey raising initial objections.  

In the same way, Hungary could prove to be a problem for Ukraine's membership bid. 

The countries, which share a land border, have a long-running dispute about the rights of Ukraine's Hungarian-speaking minority. 

Since 2017, when Ukraine made Ukrainian the required language in primary schools, Hungary has repeatedly blocked Ukraine’s attempt to integrate with both NATO and the EU.

5. It would be a 'propaganda victory' for Putin

Since the outbreak of the Ukraine war, Putin has touted the line that Russia is threatened by NATO.

He has routinely justified invading Ukraine to rid Russia of this threat, which he claims is a danger to Russia's territorial integrity.  

If Ukraine were to join NATO’s integrated defense plan, Shea claims this would invariably involve putting western troops and military bases on Ukrainian soil.

“This would give Putin a massive propaganda boost,” he said. "Putin is trying super, super hard, even desperately, to convince the Russians that there is an external existential threat from NATO [...] bringing in Ukraine now would just play to the hands of that narrative."

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