f7ben Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 Polaris gets this award hands down for bringing an actual turbo two stroke to market. Skidoo is a faggot company and made a turbo sled that makes 0 psi of boost what an absolute fucking joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Vandelay Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 I don't know who should "win" this but it's going to be whoever pays the most in advertising. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommcat Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 doo invented the pyramid, beat that fuckers! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry 976 Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 2 hours ago, Tommcat said: doo invented the pyramid, beat that fuckers! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrinkly balls Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 Doo is the undisputed king of UGLY!!!!!!! 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member 800renegaderider Posted October 1, 2022 Gold Member Share Posted October 1, 2022 2 hours ago, wrinkly balls said: Doo is the undisputed king of UGLY!!!!!!! Correct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nacapster Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 I “ believe “ the Doo 850 turbo makes full boost at sea level for 23, they just haven’t mounted it in a “ trail “ sled, yet. BRP is just being more cautious and methodical in the way they roll it out to ensure durability. I’m surprised they didn’t mention DI, 14 MYs later and they’re still the only one that has it. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nacapster Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 I did a little research. For 23 it’s called the 850 Turbo R and it makes “ some “ boost from sea level on up. (1.5 to 6.5 PSI) It’s 180 HP from sea level to 8K feet. This compared to the non R 21 & 22 turbos that made (0 to 4 PSI) and were rated at 165 HP from sea level to 8K feet. I bet there’s a 24 Mach 1 with the new R version to go head to head with Poo’s 850 turbo trail sled. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nacapster Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 And I don’t get all the hoopla about Poo’s new 900. It’s only offered in the nose bleed models and it’s NA. The turbo 850s will be stronger so what’s the point ??? Speaking of Poo I was shocked when they didn’t release their “ me to “ version of semi active suspension for 23. Guess it wasn’t ready in time so 24 it is. Are they ever going to take the lead on something and release it before Doo does? I mean besides some fancy hand warmers and a fancy gauge I can’t think of anything else in recent history. Maybe the hay bailer but that didn’t exactly pan out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member poopooforme Posted October 4, 2022 Gold Member Share Posted October 4, 2022 I don't know how we went this far before mentioning the 7S display... and the smart warmers! Game changer!! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 I'm going with Skidoo because they figured out how to sell a 2s snowmobile without a recoil as standard and make you purchase it as an accessory. that's innovative plus, the other $1609 in accessories that should come standard. and the Doo dwarves just lap it up Polaris wins snow check build options hands down and no contest. Cat gets an honorable mention for milking the Procross for more than a decade. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziemann Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 Cat= Innovation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mag6240 Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 Just now, Ziemann said: Cat= Innovation Nice wood hauler! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziemann Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 Frankly- I think Cat and Yamaha deserve some credit. Snowmobiling has always been about performance. From a performance perspective, look at the impact of the Thundercat/ZR9000/Sidewinder. They remain the performance benchmark that everyone is still striving to attain. Ski-Doo's innovation seems to revolve around reliability, refinement, and rider convenience. Polaris seems to be trying the hardest, but their innovation falls just short.... What Polaris has achieved, is helping to drive innovation with the other manufacturers.....competition is a very good thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziemann Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 I tend to agree 100% on the Polaris 7S. I thought the 7S was dumber than hell..... until my XC was delayed, and I bought a VR-1 instead. The 7S is truely innovation. I completely changed my tune once I started digging in to the functionality of the 7S. The 7S is an example of where Ski-Doo started the trend, but Polaris took it to a whole other level. The Cat people don't seem to need such frivolous luxuries... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSR Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 14 hours ago, nacapster said: And I don’t get all the hoopla about Poo’s new 900. It’s only offered in the nose bleed models and it’s NA. The turbo 850s will be stronger so what’s the point ??? Lighter and instant throttle response is what I've read which is more for the guys that like to play in the trees and more technical shit than going straight up and turning out.Supposedly much quicker off the hop than the turbo. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gym Ramstud Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 8 hours ago, HSR said: Lighter and instant throttle response is what I've read which is more for the guys that like to play in the trees and more technical shit than going straight up and turning out.Supposedly much quicker off the hop than the turbo. Gym is eager 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ez ryder Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 On 9/29/2022 at 6:55 PM, oldslowsledder said: Slide rail suspension Independent fr a arm suspension Efi Battery less efi First turbo production sled First 160 hp production sled The M litteraly changed the sport The crossfire aka short track M well look around at what sells still The rev was a sweet innovation but everything after was just gimmick shit and revisions on the chassis Polaris did not do much of anything till about 11 with the rmk Now they are leading the pack for sure 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ez ryder Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 On 9/29/2022 at 7:56 PM, 800renegaderider said: What has Polaris been innovative on coming out with another 900 engine or turbo 2s that doo already did isn’t exactly innovative. Ski-doo on the other hand has had some real innovations over the years the biggest imo being rider forward design that changed the entire sport forever. Second being e-start only removing unnecessary backup pull ropes 😉. I will give doo props on the shot . It was the #1 selling feature on my summit . Would not have bought it if it was just another battery and starter slapped in adding 20 lbs . Still think it is twitchy crossing a track on a side hill but use to that now 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sled_Hed Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 18 hours ago, Ziemann said: I tend to agree 100% on the Polaris 7S. I thought the 7S was dumber than hell..... until my XC was delayed, and I bought a VR-1 instead. The 7S is truely innovation. I completely changed my tune once I started digging in to the functionality of the 7S. The 7S is an example of where Ski-Doo started the trend, but Polaris took it to a whole other level. The Cat people don't seem to need such frivolous luxuries... That's a nice photo of @ZR6000RR 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not greg b Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 Their linq thing is pretty nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinkipinki Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 I would say Ski-Doo probably has the least amount of innovation in the past 10 years. Polaris released the Pro-Ride, Cat released the Alpha 1, what did Ski-Doo release? A fancy gauge pod? Don't get me wrong I like BRP/Can-Am/Ski-Doo/Sea-Doo but IMO they are and have always been good, average products. Not great at anything but good overall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriftBusta Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 (edited) On 10/19/2022 at 10:58 AM, stinkipinki said: I would say Ski-Doo probably has the least amount of innovation in the past 10 years. Polaris released the Pro-Ride, Cat released the Alpha 1, what did Ski-Doo release? A fancy gauge pod? Don't get me wrong I like BRP/Can-Am/Ski-Doo/Sea-Doo but IMO they are and have always been good, average products. Not great at anything but good overall. Smart shocks, shot start, linq accessories, first production 2 stroke turbo, Rmotion, best fit and finish, widest 4 stroke range and models in general, etc., lets not kid ourselves they've done a little more than that. There's a reason they still hold #1 market share. Edited October 23, 2022 by DriftBusta 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkisNH Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 My 2002 cat had smart shocks in the skid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ez ryder Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 On 9/30/2022 at 8:52 AM, Deephaven said: Not relevant. Talking about an innovation leader the top innovation can't be 20 years ago. It can if it is now the norm on every modern sled. Ie independent suspension rider forward chassis efi slid rail suspension Every one of those are now mandatory and progressed the sport way more than some fucking turbo ot adjustable carbide Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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