Crnr2Crnr Posted December 6, 2022 Author Share Posted December 6, 2022 22 minutes ago, Palu49 said: So they just rearranged a bunch of the information that was already on the website? a video presentation would have been lovely 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted December 6, 2022 Author Share Posted December 6, 2022 https://www.arcticinsider.com/2024-arctic-cat-catalyst-further-information-released/ thanks Kale 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Vandelay Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 Saw improved cooling mentioned. That's been an issue with the procrosses in our group. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Jimmy Snacks Posted December 6, 2022 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted December 6, 2022 I was hoping for more new details/info.🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awful knawful Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 2 hours ago, krom said: We are excited to announce that we will be releasing more information on the CATALYST platform tomorrow, December 6! This launch, which is part of our phased release strategy, will include an interactive 360-degree 3D model that will feature up-close information on the CATALYST platform. It will highlight ergonomics, the innovative lay down engine and more! https://arcticcat.txtsv.com/snow/catalyst Any recalls yet? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted December 6, 2022 Author Share Posted December 6, 2022 1 hour ago, Art Vandelay said: Saw improved cooling mentioned. That's been an issue with the procrosses in our group. @Not greg b @favoritos Otb... I certainly hope lighter cooler doesn't mean less of it. The reduction was accomplished using less plastics and parts, lighter seats, a new intake configuration (with a better seal), use of the ADAPT CVT system, shorter and lighter weight heat exchanger and a new belt drive system with less than half the components of the current chaincase system. The engine is also mounted with a long carbon fiber composite Torque Control Link (TCL) with integrated clutch guard which decreases weight and improves engine vibration dampening. Stainless Exhaust ftw though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palu49 Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 16 minutes ago, Crnr2Crnr said: @Not greg b @favoritos Otb... I certainly hope lighter cooler doesn't mean less of it. The reduction was accomplished using less plastics and parts, lighter seats, a new intake configuration (with a better seal), use of the ADAPT CVT system, shorter and lighter weight heat exchanger and a new belt drive system with less than half the components of the current chaincase system. The engine is also mounted with a long carbon fiber composite Torque Control Link (TCL) with integrated clutch guard which decreases weight and improves engine vibration dampening. Stainless Exhaust ftw though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted December 6, 2022 Author Share Posted December 6, 2022 1 minute ago, Palu49 said: show me the radiator and cooling fan too... and the thermostat with a bleed hole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not greg b Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 Talk about beating a dead horse to death with that information release. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Jimmy Snacks Posted December 6, 2022 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted December 6, 2022 8 minutes ago, Not greg b said: Talk about beating a dead horse to death with that information release. Don’t let Jim Rambum hear you talking that way!🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not greg b Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 22 minutes ago, Jimmy Snacks said: Don’t let Jim Rambum hear you talking that way!🤣 He won’t mind. He won’t sign the permission slip that will allow me to purchase another arctic cat. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sled_Hed Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 26 minutes ago, Jimmy Snacks said: Don’t let Jim Rambum hear you talking that way!🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not greg b Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 59 minutes ago, Jimmy Snacks said: Don’t let Jim Rambum hear you talking that way!🤣 Let’s see what we get out of this one 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Vandelay Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 9 minutes ago, Not greg b said: Let’s see what we get out of this one That's great. That guy makes me not want to buy a cat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 Really no new info here. Cat website has poorly phrased anecdotes and ACi is still the premiere source of Cat related content. Was hoping to get some engine and belt drive details as well as some more specific rear skid info. Confirmation of 10% weight loss is great but still vague. Impressive they dropped that much while going with a steel bulkhead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not greg b Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 5 minutes ago, Premium said: Really no new info here. Cat website has poorly phrased anecdotes and ACi is still the premiere source of Cat related content. Was hoping to get some engine and belt drive details as well as some more specific rear skid info. Confirmation of 10% weight loss is great but still vague. Impressive they dropped that much while going with a steel bulkhead I am guessing the steel part is very small. The sub frame up front on the current sled isn’t very big. The only down side would be rust over time for people that don’t maintain anything Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mnstang Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 Steel isn't heavier I don't think. I know with dirt bikes that the ktms are steel and they are also the lightest bike. Steel is also better with nvh type stuff. With cycling, steel frames always ride way better than aluminum or carbon. Complete rigidity is not desirable imo. I thought it was interesting they said the center of belt drive is adjustable. Does that mean the jackshaft moves? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deephaven Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 1 minute ago, mnstang said: Steel isn't heavier I don't think. I know with dirt bikes that the ktms are steel and they are also the lightest bike. Definitely depends on the type of steel. Unlike the past there are a ton of varieties available now. Most steel cars use more than 15 types of steel to make up the body in white. 1 minute ago, mnstang said: Steel is also better with nvh type stuff. It can be, but isn't always. Knowing the type of steel and the geometry will determine the NVH characteristics. Lots of headway in shape these days that are super helpful with NVH. 1 minute ago, mnstang said: With cycling, steel frames always ride way better than aluminum or carbon. Complete rigidity is not desirable imo. Absolutely true. I fucking hate aluminum hard tails. Strength to stiffness ratio can be way more compliantly made with steel than more exotic materials. 1 minute ago, mnstang said: I thought it was interesting they said the center of belt drive is adjustable. Does that mean the jackshaft moves? Would love to see more details on that as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p51mstg Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 5 hours ago, Art Vandelay said: Saw improved cooling mentioned. That's been an issue with the procrosses in our group. Me, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 49 minutes ago, mnstang said: Steel isn't heavier I don't think. I know with dirt bikes that the ktms are steel and they are also the lightest bike. Steel is also better with nvh type stuff. With cycling, steel frames always ride way better than aluminum or carbon. Complete rigidity is not desirable imo. I thought it was interesting they said the center of belt drive is adjustable. Does that mean the jackshaft moves? When referring to the steel I was thinking of the other OEMs use of a cast aluminum bulkhead in an effort to save weight. I agree steel does have unique advantages, so to match or beat the competition on dry weight while employing steel in critical areas is definitely a plus. A buddy of mine with an Assault broke a motor mount which apparently attached to a tab on the cast Al bulkhead...whole sled had to be taken apart. Fortunately for him it was still under warranty. I'm also curious about the belt drive...wish they had more technical info for us on this "deep dive" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted December 6, 2022 Author Share Posted December 6, 2022 (edited) must confess I get quite a kick out of @ZR6000RR slobbering all over a new chassis and changes he claims Cat didn't need to make. right Jimmer? we have a lurker... Edited December 6, 2022 by Crnr2Crnr 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awful knawful Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 3 hours ago, Palu49 said: P550 weld that up? FFS! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deephaven Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 5 minutes ago, awful knawful said: P550 weld that up? FFS! You obviously haven't had a tour of the plant in TRF. There are some real peaches working there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krom Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 4 hours ago, Not greg b said: I am guessing the steel part is very small. The sub frame up front on the current sled isn’t very big. The only down side would be rust over time for people that don’t maintain anything 2 hours ago, Premium said: When referring to the steel I was thinking of the other OEMs use of a cast aluminum bulkhead in an effort to save weight. I agree steel does have unique advantages I'm also curious about the belt drive...wish they had more technical info for us on this "deep dive" If you look at the "360" image you'll see the steel "bulkhead" outlined. Think I posted it a long time ago in this thread, but the chassis is a tube steel space frame with castings/forgings at the nodes/pickup points. most of what is considered the "bulkhead" on other machines is just plastic bodywork on the new cat. If you feel like doing a patent search it should turn up the belt tensioning setup they are going to use, IDK if its granted or still just pending though 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not greg b Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 8 minutes ago, krom said: If you look at the "360" image you'll see the steel "bulkhead" outlined. Think I posted it a long time ago in this thread, but the chassis is a tube steel space frame with castings/forgings at the nodes/pickup points. most of what is considered the "bulkhead" on other machines is just plastic bodywork on the new cat. If you feel like doing a patent search it should turn up the belt tensioning setup they are going to use, IDK if its granted or still just pending though Should be an easier fix when you smash it. Remove the tubes and put a new front structure on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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