fortune46x Posted April 3, 2023 Author Share Posted April 3, 2023 On 4/1/2023 at 7:02 PM, hayward said: why the hell didn't the flagger step out into the course a bit to get everyone's attention? I know, shit happens quick, but... damn that could'a sucked worse. It was worst case - he stepped out after Lieders was committed to the jump. Just like the incidents in the downhill , hard to control jumping on yellow when gravity is working against you and you're already jumping from the top down in rhythm. On 4/1/2023 at 8:37 PM, Crnr2Crnr said: Jordan speared Pake... that was shitty Docked positions and Jordan didn't even argue what he did. 11 hours ago, ZR6000RR said: Sno cross is dying. Boring as hell! Record attendance at almost every event but Fargo, highest viewership on live stream since switching to flo sports (cross promotion seems to be working), More semis in the pits since I started working for the series 7 years ago, and more pro teams hosting satellite riders in the pits than before.. Note : we used to have 80-90 races per day when I started with the exception of Duluth when the canadians would come down , now we rarely have less that 100 races in a day. Its dying alright.. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J. Jackson Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 If Cat was competitive he would say it was the best thing since free porn on the net. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 (edited) 11 hours ago, ZR6000RR said: Sno cross is dying. Boring as hell! based on numbers, participation and viewership... I'd say cross country is the one dying by a far bigger margin. I actually find that rather sad to be honest but the numbers don't lie Einstein. why do you think Cat and BRP have been offering their race ready XC models to the general public the past few years? Here's a hint... it's because they have to produce and sell enough of them for the machines to be legally competitive per ISR rules... and they can't sell enough to actual XC racers for them to be legal. Fwiw, I'm happy Cat is offering the new RXC to the consumers and hopefully dumping that entire racer replica horse shit. An 860 RXC might be a big seller... like the XCR 850 @fortune46x can correct me if I'm wrong on any of this. Edited April 3, 2023 by Crnr2Crnr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZR6000RR Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 9 minutes ago, Crnr2Crnr said: based on numbers, participation and viewership... I'd say cross country is the one dying by a far bigger margin. I actually find that rather sad to be honest but the numbers don't lie Einstein. why do you think Cat and BRP have been offering their race ready XC models to the general public the past few years? Here's a hint... it's because they have to produce and sell enough of them for the machines to be legally competitive per ISR rules... and they can't sell enough to actual XC racers for them to be legal. Fwiw, I'm happy Cat is offering the new RXC to the consumers and hopefully dumping that entire racer replica horse shit. An 860 RXC might be a big seller... like the XCR 850 @fortune46x can correct me if I'm wrong on any of this. We had RECORD attendance this year at snodeo this year. Have not been to a sno cross in 15 years. My dying has to do with racer numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 16 minutes ago, ZR6000RR said: We had RECORD attendance this year at snodeo this year. Have not been to a sno cross in 15 years. My dying has to do with racer numbers. great... that's one event. obviously you don't know much if anything about SX currently so before spouting off your ill informed opinions maybe try to learn some facts first. 💡 https://corpowersports.com/assets/pdf_files/2023 points 32123v2.pdf https://snocross.com/national/results/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZR6000RR Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Crnr2Crnr said: great... that's one event. obviously you don't know much if anything about SX currently so before spouting off your ill informed opinions maybe try to learn some facts first. 💡 https://corpowersports.com/assets/pdf_files/2023 points 32123v2.pdf https://snocross.com/national/results/ Just shut up already! Cross Country is more like real world riding. Edited April 3, 2023 by ZR6000RR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 18 minutes ago, ZR6000RR said: Cross Country is more like real world riding. I would fully agree with that statement. You ever get sick of being corrected by people around here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZR6000RR Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 11 minutes ago, Crnr2Crnr said: I would fully agree with that statement. You ever get sick of being corrected by people around here? Don't care! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune46x Posted April 3, 2023 Author Share Posted April 3, 2023 1 hour ago, ZR6000RR said: We had RECORD attendance this year at snodeo this year. Have not been to a sno cross in 15 years. My dying has to do with racer numbers. in 2022/23 - 3 heats of pro lite, sport lite, 2 heats of pro women , 2 heats of sport and had to send riders packing .. not to mention the junior, transition, 200 classes that were huge this year. I would say its doing just fine. XC has to build 150 sleds a year. To be honest I think XC will grow in coming years with Skidoo coming to offer support now to racers as well. It has a stronger support section IMO than snocross. My honest opinion , with the weather patterns and the way the seasons have gone (other than this season which is insane for northern, mn and wisconsin and michigan) the Mountain competition segment will continue to grow while the flat lands will slow down unless man made snow is available. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZR6000RR Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 43 minutes ago, fortune46x said: in 2022/23 - 3 heats of pro lite, sport lite, 2 heats of pro women , 2 heats of sport and had to send riders packing .. not to mention the junior, transition, 200 classes that were huge this year. I would say its doing just fine. XC has to build 150 sleds a year. To be honest I think XC will grow in coming years with Skidoo coming to offer support now to racers as well. It has a stronger support section IMO than snocross. My honest opinion , with the weather patterns and the way the seasons have gone (other than this season which is insane for northern, mn and wisconsin and michigan) the Mountain competition segment will continue to grow while the flat lands will slow down unless man made snow is available. Where I ride, we always have good, ridable snow well into March. Expecting another 12-24" this week. This is the White Earth Reservation. Pinehurst area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune46x Posted April 3, 2023 Author Share Posted April 3, 2023 5 minutes ago, ZR6000RR said: Where I ride, we always have good, ridable snow well into March. Expecting another 12-24" this week. This is the White Earth Reservation. Pinehurst area. There is a substantial difference of where you ride vs where COR can have a race at. I know Todd and Andrea from COR have worked their asses off to have races in areas that get snow but sometimes its just not possible. State parks, Native reservations etc are not easy to get permits to have compeitions at and sometimes have substantial fees associated with it. Ski hills are a possibility for both XC and SX in the future the difficulty there lies within availability - that's why we were in Iowa in April. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZR6000RR Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 1 minute ago, fortune46x said: There is a substantial difference of where you ride vs where COR can have a race at. I know Todd and Andrea from COR have worked their asses off to have races in areas that get snow but sometimes its just not possible. State parks, Native reservations etc are not easy to get permits to have compeitions at and sometimes have substantial fees associated with it. Ski hills are a possibility for both XC and SX in the future the difficulty there lies within availability - that's why we were in Iowa in April. I am talking about riding in general. Todd wanted our club to add a race, but we just do not have the manpower to pull it off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krom Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 2 hours ago, Crnr2Crnr said: You ever get sick of being corrected by people around here? It's not just here, he loves showing and telling anyone he can find, how much of a lying moron he is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZR6000RR Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 27 minutes ago, krom said: It's not just here, he loves showing and telling anyone he can find, how much of a lying moron he is. Only because it bothers you kROMMER. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deephaven Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 (edited) 5 hours ago, ZR6000RR said: Where I ride, we always have good, ridable snow well into March. Expecting another 12-24" this week. This is the White Earth Reservation. Pinehurst area. Lol. Could pick a smaller area to call where you ride. Used to drink on those trails in high school. Bet I know a shit load of locals that all think you are a joke. Edited April 3, 2023 by Deephaven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racinfarmer Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 9 hours ago, fortune46x said: It was worst case - he stepped out after Lieders was committed to the jump. Just like the incidents in the downhill , hard to control jumping on yellow when gravity is working against you and you're already jumping from the top down in rhythm. Docked positions and Jordan didn't even argue what he did. Record attendance at almost every event but Fargo, highest viewership on live stream since switching to flo sports (cross promotion seems to be working), More semis in the pits since I started working for the series 7 years ago, and more pro teams hosting satellite riders in the pits than before.. Note : we used to have 80-90 races per day when I started with the exception of Duluth when the canadians would come down , now we rarely have less that 100 races in a day. Its dying alright.. IMO, having a place to race at weekly, ERX, helps get and keep people interested. 8 hours ago, ZR6000RR said: We had RECORD attendance this year at snodeo this year. Have not been to a sno cross in 15 years. My dying has to do with racer numbers. Pay attention to the Jr. and "budget" classes in COR. The numbers are not there to keep growing in 3-5-10 years. 7 hours ago, fortune46x said: in 2022/23 - 3 heats of pro lite, sport lite, 2 heats of pro women , 2 heats of sport and had to send riders packing .. not to mention the junior, transition, 200 classes that were huge this year. I would say its doing just fine. XC has to build 150 sleds a year. To be honest I think XC will grow in coming years with Skidoo coming to offer support now to racers as well. It has a stronger support section IMO than snocross. My honest opinion , with the weather patterns and the way the seasons have gone (other than this season which is insane for northern, mn and wisconsin and michigan) the Mountain competition segment will continue to grow while the flat lands will slow down unless man made snow is available. Polaris and Doo do not need to worry about selling 150+ sleds to meet stock class numbers. Cat is the only one that needs to do that. When one looks beyond COR (and the old USXC), look at what they are racing other placed that do XC racing. It isn't Cat. I'm not sure how well Cat is represented in the Northeast (NEXC and AXC), but when you look in Alaska, northern Canada, EE in Quebec, etc. It is tons of Doo and Polaris sleds with the occasional Cat. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palu49 Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 1 hour ago, racinfarmer said: IMO, having a place to race at weekly, ERX, helps get and keep people interested. Pay attention to the Jr. and "budget" classes in COR. The numbers are not there to keep growing in 3-5-10 years. Polaris and Doo do not need to worry about selling 150+ sleds to meet stock class numbers. Cat is the only one that needs to do that. When one looks beyond COR (and the old USXC), look at what they are racing other placed that do XC racing. It isn't Cat. I'm not sure how well Cat is represented in the Northeast (NEXC and AXC), but when you look in Alaska, northern Canada, EE in Quebec, etc. It is tons of Doo and Polaris sleds with the occasional Cat. A lot of cats and polaris at the AXC races this year. I think there was 2 ski Doos at one of the races out of the trail class. I know there’s a few other guys racing Doo in NEXC but definitely still cat and poo dominated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sw-50c Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 when eshoel had to kick ass ,he kicked ass. hopefully next year he starts the season off healthy. pro-lite will be interesting with out j lebel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayward Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 3 hours ago, Palu49 said: A lot of cats and polaris at the AXC races this year. I think there was 2 ski Doos at one of the races out of the trail class. I know there’s a few other guys racing Doo in NEXC but definitely still cat and poo dominated. Cameron's trailer one of those by chance? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 (edited) 13 hours ago, racinfarmer said: IMO, having a place to race at weekly, ERX, helps get and keep people interested. Pay attention to the Jr. and "budget" classes in COR. The numbers are not there to keep growing in 3-5-10 years. Polaris and Doo do not need to worry about selling 150+ sleds to meet stock class numbers. Cat is the only one that needs to do that. When one looks beyond COR (and the old USXC), look at what they are racing other placed that do XC racing. It isn't Cat. I'm not sure how well Cat is represented in the Northeast (NEXC and AXC), but when you look in Alaska, northern Canada, EE in Quebec, etc. It is tons of Doo and Polaris sleds with the occasional Cat. true... having easy access to a practice track of some nature seems to be a big key to success. looking at the COR #'s yesterday I noticed a LOT of people in the Sport Stock class (48 participants) only did one, or maybe two events. but the pattern showed up in other classes as well. youth and parent participation is huge to grow any sport and this isn't a cheap sport by any means. have seen a sport I was heavily involved in dwindle dramatically because it's not a 'ball sport' and requires travel and dedication from parents and their kids. maybe the new Cat will revive an interest in racing Cat's... but a lot of racing imo hinges on factory support and IDK where Textron is on supporting racing at this point. final SX points tally... Pro Rider Hometown Sled Points 1 Elias Ishoel Oppdal, 16 Ski-Doo 577 2 Emil Harr Sorsele, AB Polaris 534 3 Kody Kamm Kansasville, WI Polaris 521 4 Hunter Patenaude Hartland, VT Ski-Doo 461 5 Francis Pelletier ST Felicien, QC Ski-Doo 446 6 Adam Peterson Medford, WI Polaris 437 7 Daniel Benham Deer River, MN Arctic Cat 402 8 Logan Christian Fertile, MN Ski-Doo 392 9 Petter Narsa Alvsbyn, BD Ski-Doo 318 10 Aki Pihlaja Rovaniemi, 10 Ski-Doo 285 11 Cole Cottew Zimmerman, MN Polaris 220 12 Travis Kern Aitkin, MN Polaris 217 13 Gustav Sahlsten Umeå, AC Ski-Doo 98 14 John Malmstrom Kalix, AB Polaris 75 15 Oskar Norum Bjurholm, AB Polaris 45 16 Jordan Lebel Chicoutimi, QC Ski-Doo 25 17 Robert Lunden TYDAL, 01 Ski-Doo 10 Pro-Lite Rider Hometown Sled Points 1 Jordan Lebel Chicoutimi, QC Ski-Doo 610 2 Ryley Bester Prior Lake, MN Polaris 598 3 Marcus Ogemar Ostersund, Z Ski-Doo 531 4 Evan Daudt Longville, MN Polaris 497 5 Andy Pake Felton, MN Ski-Doo 480 6 Anson Scheele North Branch, MN Arctic Cat 469 7 Evan Christian Finley, ND Polaris 440 8 Topi Posti Rovaniemi, 10 Ski-Doo 431 9 Baily Forst Thief River Falls, MN Polaris 415 10 Emeric Legendre Sainte-Julie, QC Ski-Doo 377 11 Eric Downs Jordan, MN Polaris 360 12 Gustav Salomonsson funasdalen, Z Ski-Doo 311 13 Nickolas Lorenz Kenosha, WI Polaris 300 14 Trent Wittwer bemidji, MN Arctic Cat 261 15 Tyler Oomen Hart, MI Arctic Cat 236 16 Jesse Kirchmeyer Arcade, NY Polaris 218 17 Dylan Roes Lowville, NY Ski-Doo 210 18 Oskar Englund Sundsvall, AB Arctic Cat 191 19 Kenny Mandryk Neebing, ON Ski-Doo 159 20 Cale Callan Phelpston, ON Ski-Doo 148 21 Mitchell Gross Princeton, MN Arctic Cat 113 22 Filip Harr Elk river, MN Polaris 101 23 Andy Lieders Wausau, WI Polaris 97 24 Troy Horbaty TYNDALL, MB Other 90 25 Jeremy Beaulieu Saint-Denis sur Richelieu, QC Ski-Doo 82 26 Adam Ashline Hartland, VT Ski-Doo 72 27 Drew Freeland Corcoran, MN Ski-Doo 65 28 Crayden Dillon Zephyr, ON Ski-Doo 63 29 Brandon Lind Antioch, IL Arctic Cat 57 30 Joonas Keskiaho Rovaniemi, 10 Ski-Doo 43 31 Devin Denman Beaver dam, WI Arctic Cat 37 32 Albin Lundqvist Arvidsjaur, BD Ski-Doo 33 33 Corin Todd Otego, NY Polaris 29 34 Emil Mikalsen Talvik, 20 Ski-Doo 25 35 Ingebrigt Hoelsaeter Oppdal, 16 Ski-Doo 21 36 Martin Johansson Lima, W Ski-Doo 18 37 Anton Lindstrom Alvsbyn, BD Ski-Doo 16 38 Pontus Lundstrom Skelleftea, AC Ski-Doo 16 39 Blake Taylor Orangeville, ON Ski-Doo 14 40 Eli Epling Swanville, MN Ski-Doo 7 41 Kyle Kunstman Delavan, WI Ski-Doo 6 Edited April 4, 2023 by Crnr2Crnr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not greg b Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 1 hour ago, Crnr2Crnr said: true... having easy access to a practice track of some nature seems to be a big key to success. looking at the COR #'s yesterday I noticed a LOT of people in the Sport Stock class (48 participants) only did one, or maybe two events. but the pattern showed up in other classes as well. youth and parent participation is huge to grow any sport and this isn't a cheap sport by any means. have seen a sport I was heavily involved in dwindle dramatically because it's not a 'ball sport' and requires travel and dedication from parents and their kids. maybe the new Cat will revive an interest in racing Cat's... but a lot of racing imo hinges on factory support and IDK where Textron is on supporting racing at this point. final SX points tally... Pro Rider Hometown Sled Points 1 Elias Ishoel Oppdal, 16 Ski-Doo 577 2 Emil Harr Sorsele, AB Polaris 534 3 Kody Kamm Kansasville, WI Polaris 521 4 Hunter Patenaude Hartland, VT Ski-Doo 461 5 Francis Pelletier ST Felicien, QC Ski-Doo 446 6 Adam Peterson Medford, WI Polaris 437 7 Daniel Benham Deer River, MN Arctic Cat 402 8 Logan Christian Fertile, MN Ski-Doo 392 9 Petter Narsa Alvsbyn, BD Ski-Doo 318 10 Aki Pihlaja Rovaniemi, 10 Ski-Doo 285 11 Cole Cottew Zimmerman, MN Polaris 220 12 Travis Kern Aitkin, MN Polaris 217 13 Gustav Sahlsten Umeå, AC Ski-Doo 98 14 John Malmstrom Kalix, AB Polaris 75 15 Oskar Norum Bjurholm, AB Polaris 45 16 Jordan Lebel Chicoutimi, QC Ski-Doo 25 17 Robert Lunden TYDAL, 01 Ski-Doo 10 Pro-Lite Rider Hometown Sled Points 1 Jordan Lebel Chicoutimi, QC Ski-Doo 610 2 Ryley Bester Prior Lake, MN Polaris 598 3 Marcus Ogemar Ostersund, Z Ski-Doo 531 4 Evan Daudt Longville, MN Polaris 497 5 Andy Pake Felton, MN Ski-Doo 480 6 Anson Scheele North Branch, MN Arctic Cat 469 7 Evan Christian Finley, ND Polaris 440 8 Topi Posti Rovaniemi, 10 Ski-Doo 431 9 Baily Forst Thief River Falls, MN Polaris 415 10 Emeric Legendre Sainte-Julie, QC Ski-Doo 377 11 Eric Downs Jordan, MN Polaris 360 12 Gustav Salomonsson funasdalen, Z Ski-Doo 311 13 Nickolas Lorenz Kenosha, WI Polaris 300 14 Trent Wittwer bemidji, MN Arctic Cat 261 15 Tyler Oomen Hart, MI Arctic Cat 236 16 Jesse Kirchmeyer Arcade, NY Polaris 218 17 Dylan Roes Lowville, NY Ski-Doo 210 18 Oskar Englund Sundsvall, AB Arctic Cat 191 19 Kenny Mandryk Neebing, ON Ski-Doo 159 20 Cale Callan Phelpston, ON Ski-Doo 148 21 Mitchell Gross Princeton, MN Arctic Cat 113 22 Filip Harr Elk river, MN Polaris 101 23 Andy Lieders Wausau, WI Polaris 97 24 Troy Horbaty TYNDALL, MB Other 90 25 Jeremy Beaulieu Saint-Denis sur Richelieu, QC Ski-Doo 82 26 Adam Ashline Hartland, VT Ski-Doo 72 27 Drew Freeland Corcoran, MN Ski-Doo 65 28 Crayden Dillon Zephyr, ON Ski-Doo 63 29 Brandon Lind Antioch, IL Arctic Cat 57 30 Joonas Keskiaho Rovaniemi, 10 Ski-Doo 43 31 Devin Denman Beaver dam, WI Arctic Cat 37 32 Albin Lundqvist Arvidsjaur, BD Ski-Doo 33 33 Corin Todd Otego, NY Polaris 29 34 Emil Mikalsen Talvik, 20 Ski-Doo 25 35 Ingebrigt Hoelsaeter Oppdal, 16 Ski-Doo 21 36 Martin Johansson Lima, W Ski-Doo 18 37 Anton Lindstrom Alvsbyn, BD Ski-Doo 16 38 Pontus Lundstrom Skelleftea, AC Ski-Doo 16 39 Blake Taylor Orangeville, ON Ski-Doo 14 40 Eli Epling Swanville, MN Ski-Doo 7 41 Kyle Kunstman Delavan, WI Ski-Doo 6 I doubt Textron will ever spend a bunch of money to support racing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 Well Doo is clearly in it to win it... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palu49 Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 18 hours ago, hayward said: Cameron's trailer one of those by chance? Matt? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racinfarmer Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 10 hours ago, Crnr2Crnr said: true... having easy access to a practice track of some nature seems to be a big key to success. looking at the COR #'s yesterday I noticed a LOT of people in the Sport Stock class (48 participants) only did one, or maybe two events. but the pattern showed up in other classes as well. youth and parent participation is huge to grow any sport and this isn't a cheap sport by any means. have seen a sport I was heavily involved in dwindle dramatically because it's not a 'ball sport' and requires travel and dedication from parents and their kids. maybe the new Cat will revive an interest in racing Cat's... but a lot of racing imo hinges on factory support and IDK where Textron is on supporting racing at this point. I think a big part of the issue right now is how do you get racers and families not only involved in the sport, but how to keep them staying involved? I know a lot of people, myself being one of them, who one year just decide to hang it up and go back to riding in general. I don't see myself going back, at least not full time or even half time. Factory support in the form of discounted sleds and discounted PG&A is another big one. I'm not sure what everyone's gig is anymore, but Cat used to be the best all around. I doubt that is the case anymore. Judging by the number of sleds and what I've heard from some friends, I'd say Polaris is the best brand to be on right now, from a support perspective. 8 hours ago, Not greg b said: I doubt Textron will ever spend a bunch of money to support racing. I'm going to apply, but I know the discount won't be what it once was, if I even get one. Haven't even seen a race app out anywhere. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayward Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 1 hour ago, Palu49 said: Matt? Yep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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