f7ben Posted May 14, 2022 Share Posted May 14, 2022 13 minutes ago, DriftBusta said: Who cheers for more government spending?! Its about only thing most of us agree on. When you cast a vote for the worst peacetime spender in history I’d say that is unequivocally “cheering” spending 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted May 14, 2022 Share Posted May 14, 2022 1 hour ago, Sleepr2 said: Try google. I'm lAzy Amuse me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted May 14, 2022 Share Posted May 14, 2022 13 minutes ago, f7ben said: When you cast a vote for the worst peacetime spender in history I’d say that is unequivocally “cheering” spending But he ran a casino, into the ground. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plissken Posted May 14, 2022 Share Posted May 14, 2022 20 minutes ago, DriftBusta said: Who cheers for more government spending?! Its about only thing most of us agree on. Well not openly cause it’s gotten a very negative connotation to it in some circles. A lot of us recognize however that when NAGA’s cheered Trump’s successes such as GDP numbers, job growth, DJI to the moon, etc., that these gains were underpinned by a rapid increase in the money supply. Yes, there were tax cuts, yayyy, but massive spending as well. If we went back and ran the same experiment again but this time just without the spending, you’d see lower increase in the overall money supply, and lower economic metrics overall. Of course these policies aren’t sustainable long term without consequences like inflation but Trump only needed to keep the economy juiced for 4 years to win in 2020; he could care less what happened after. If Corona hadn’t put a damper on things, he’d have pulled off his magic trick in the minds of most and easily sailed on to re-election. In summary, bragging up Trumps economic victories carries with it an intrinsic support of the spending that occurred because they aren’t mutually exclusive. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted May 14, 2022 Share Posted May 14, 2022 2 minutes ago, Plissken said: Well not openly cause it’s gotten a very negative connotation to it in some circles. A lot of us recognize however that when NAGA’s cheered Trump’s successes such as GDP numbers, job growth, DJI to the moon, etc., that these gains were underpinned by a rapid increase in the money supply. Yes, there were tax cuts, yayyy, but massive spending as well. If we went back and ran the same experiment again but this time just without the spending, you’d see lower increase in the overall money supply, and lower economic metrics overall. Of course these policies aren’t sustainable long term without consequences like inflation but Trump only needed to keep the economy juiced for 4 years to win in 2020; he could care less what happened after. If Corona hadn’t put a damper on things, he’d have pulled off his magic trick in the minds of most and easily sailed on to re-election. In summary, bragging up Trumps economic victories carries with it an intrinsic support of the spending that occurred because they aren’t mutually exclusive. It’s insane that people can disagree with what you just typed. Water is wet and the sky is blue but not in MAGA world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepr2 Posted May 14, 2022 Share Posted May 14, 2022 17 minutes ago, Crnr2Crnr said: I'm lAzy Amuse me LOL! it’s out there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger** Posted May 14, 2022 Share Posted May 14, 2022 15 minutes ago, Crnr2Crnr said: But he ran a casino, into the ground. Out of 500 business 11 go down, I'll take those odds any day of the week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepr2 Posted May 14, 2022 Share Posted May 14, 2022 45 minutes ago, DriftBusta said: Who cheers for more government spending?! Its about only thing most of us agree on. The blowhard seems to think I’m cheering for spending in spite of the many times I’ve pointed out wasteful spending, and I don’t care who does it it’s not ( hmmm,? What’s that word the globull warmers bleat,,,,). Oh SUSTAINABLE! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriftBusta Posted May 14, 2022 Share Posted May 14, 2022 48 minutes ago, f7ben said: When you cast a vote for the worst peacetime spender in history I’d say that is unequivocally “cheering” spending Oh. That simple huh? Smh. Your thought processes need a calibration friend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted May 14, 2022 Share Posted May 14, 2022 1 minute ago, DriftBusta said: Oh. That simple huh? Smh. Your thought processes need a calibration friend. It really is that simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriftBusta Posted May 14, 2022 Share Posted May 14, 2022 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Plissken said: Well not openly cause it’s gotten a very negative connotation to it in some circles. A lot of us recognize however that when NAGA’s cheered Trump’s successes such as GDP numbers, job growth, DJI to the moon, etc., that these gains were underpinned by a rapid increase in the money supply. Yes, there were tax cuts, yayyy, but massive spending as well. If we went back and ran the same experiment again but this time just without the spending, you’d see lower increase in the overall money supply, and lower economic metrics overall. Of course these policies aren’t sustainable long term without consequences like inflation but Trump only needed to keep the economy juiced for 4 years to win in 2020; he could care less what happened after. If Corona hadn’t put a damper on things, he’d have pulled off his magic trick in the minds of most and easily sailed on to re-election. In summary, bragging up Trumps economic victories carries with it an intrinsic support of the spending that occurred because they aren’t mutually exclusive. I dont engage in revisionist hindsight bs either. Its easy to say that Trump should have done this or that, at the time his goal was to stimulate the economy and this notion of modern modern monetary theory was making its way through all the think tanks, and then there are the Keynesians….point is many at the time thought this initial budget was the pivot from 8 years of Obama policy. He stated his second budget was not going to be remotely like the first. Then there some who think he shouldnt have increased military spending. Says who? Many analysts for years have noted our readiness had deteriorated under Obama. Then Covid, which added 6 trillion to the debt side. I’ll comtinue to prefer Trump style guidance any fucking day of the week to what the left is peddling these days. Edited May 14, 2022 by DriftBusta 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted May 14, 2022 Share Posted May 14, 2022 (edited) 17 minutes ago, DriftBusta said: I dont engage in revisionist hindsight bs either. Its easy to say that Trump should have done this or that, at the time his goal was to stimulate the economy and this notion of modern modern monetary theory was making its way through all the think tanks, and then there are the Keynesians….point is many at the time thought this initial budget was the pivot from 8 years of Obama policy. He stated his second budget was not going to be remotely like the first. Then there some who think he shouldnt have increased military spending. Says who? Many analysts for years have noted our readiness had deteriorated under Obama. Then Covid, which added 6 trillion to the debt side. I’ll comtinue to prefer Trump style guidance any fucking day of the week to what the left is peddling these days. Quit fucking babbling about military readiness. If we can’t have a military that’s “ready” while spending 30% of our budget on it and more less outspending the rest of the world combined than just fire the whole DoD....asking the military if they need more money is like asking a crack head if he want another hit. Edited May 14, 2022 by f7ben 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Jimmy Snacks Posted May 14, 2022 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted May 14, 2022 (edited) It’s “revisionist history” to bring up ANYTHING a Republican at any level has done in the past but that goddamn Obama!!!🤣🤣 Edited May 14, 2022 by Jimmy Snacks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1jkw Posted May 14, 2022 Share Posted May 14, 2022 1 hour ago, DriftBusta said: Who cheers for more government spending?! Its about only thing most of us agree on. Nobody does, but some cry like cunts about it when their guy isn't in office, and act completely different when their guy is in office, you know like constantly posting memes about the other side when their own side spent more, but no memes ever posted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1jkw Posted May 14, 2022 Share Posted May 14, 2022 38 minutes ago, DriftBusta said: I dont engage in revisionist hindsight bs either. Its easy to say that Trump should have done this or that, at the time his goal was to stimulate the economy and this notion of modern modern monetary theory was making its way through all the think tanks, and then there are the Keynesians….point is many at the time thought this initial budget was the pivot from 8 years of Obama policy. He stated his second budget was not going to be remotely like the first. Then there some who think he shouldnt have increased military spending. Says who? Many analysts for years have noted our readiness had deteriorated under Obama. Then Covid, which added 6 trillion to the debt side. I’ll comtinue to prefer Trump style guidance any fucking day of the week to what the left is peddling these days. Despite inheriting 4.8UE rate and spending more in his first 3 years than Obama's last 4, he never had a better GDP than 2015, look at the 4th quarter GDP for 2019, we also were in a manufacturing recession too. Keep in mind Trump needed 4.4% GDP growth to just cover the tax cuts. As far as military spending I guarantee there are just as many or more who will say the opposite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1jkw Posted May 14, 2022 Share Posted May 14, 2022 1 hour ago, Sleepr2 said: The blowhard seems to think I’m cheering for spending in spite of the many times I’ve pointed out wasteful spending, and I don’t care who does it it’s not ( hmmm,? What’s that word the globull warmers bleat,,,,). Oh SUSTAINABLE! You point out wasteful spending while voting for the greatest spender in our lifetime, that is most certainly cheering him on, not to mention you never ever posted one of your famous memes against the spender in chief. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted May 14, 2022 Share Posted May 14, 2022 2 minutes ago, 1jkw said: You point out wasteful spending while voting for the greatest spender in our lifetime, that is most certainly cheering him on, not to mention you never ever posted one of your famous memes against the spender in chief. Hardcore smack down 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Steve753 Posted May 14, 2022 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted May 14, 2022 1 hour ago, 1jkw said: You point out wasteful spending while voting for the greatest spender in our lifetime, that is most certainly cheering him on, not to mention you never ever posted one of your famous memes against the spender in chief. You keep repeating spender in chief, yet seem to ignore Biden is the reason everything is costing us more right now, if we can get. Hes making a huge mess and yet you still have a huge crush on Trump for some reason. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted May 14, 2022 Share Posted May 14, 2022 5 minutes ago, Steve753 said: You keep repeating spender in chief, yet seem to ignore Biden is the reason everything is costing us more right now, if we can get. Hes making a huge mess and yet you still have a huge crush on Trump for some reason. No , Trumps insane spending is a big part of this current inflation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1jkw Posted May 14, 2022 Share Posted May 14, 2022 46 minutes ago, Steve753 said: You keep repeating spender in chief, yet seem to ignore Biden is the reason everything is costing us more right now, if we can get. Hes making a huge mess and yet you still have a huge crush on Trump for some reason. No, I'm not ignoring anything, you seem to forget that Trump's stimulus was bigger than Biden's and only about 50% of the money he doled out was spent during his time in office, further he out spent in his first 3 years Obama's last 4, his reckless spending prior to the pandemic never yielded a GDP greater than 2015. I don't have a crush on Trump I'm just not a cult member who refuses to see what he really did. Then Biden did add to the problem with his own stimulus. There were supply issues even prior to the pandemic, the pandemic made it much worse as did the sudden demand once the economy was opened back up and people had money to spend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Jimmy Snacks Posted May 14, 2022 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted May 14, 2022 1 hour ago, Steve753 said: You keep repeating spender in chief, yet seem to ignore Biden is the reason everything is costing us more right now, if we can get. Hes making a huge mess and yet you still have a huge crush on Trump for some reason. Is Trump responsible for anything he did while in office? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriftBusta Posted May 14, 2022 Share Posted May 14, 2022 2 hours ago, 1jkw said: Despite inheriting 4.8UE rate and spending more in his first 3 years than Obama's last 4, he never had a better GDP than 2015, look at the 4th quarter GDP for 2019, we also were in a manufacturing recession too. Keep in mind Trump needed 4.4% GDP growth to just cover the tax cuts. As far as military spending I guarantee there are just as many or more who will say the opposite. I just disagree, ok. Everything that Biden has done, has made things worse. I appreciate all the statistics and all, and are you factoring leading indicators vs lagging? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriftBusta Posted May 14, 2022 Share Posted May 14, 2022 1 minute ago, Jimmy Snacks said: Is Trump responsible for anything he did while in office? Yeah being a blowhard and relying too much on Washington insiders, but I dont think he had much choice on the latter. If the media gave him a fair shake it would be one thing, bit it became pretty clear that the deck was rigged against him from the start. These Marxist/leftists cheat way worse than the Pubs do. And Im excusing neither. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1jkw Posted May 14, 2022 Share Posted May 14, 2022 Just now, DriftBusta said: I just disagree, ok. Everything that Biden has done, has made things worse. I appreciate all the statistics and all, and are you factoring leading indicators vs lagging? Well of course you do. Leading. Took over the longest bull market in history, record emerging markets in 2017, low inflation, just to name a few. Trump claimed 5or 6% GDP yet never did any better than 2015, despite his tax breaks deregulation and reckless spending. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Steve753 Posted May 14, 2022 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted May 14, 2022 32 minutes ago, Jimmy Snacks said: Is Trump responsible for anything he did while in office? Trumps not the president right now is he? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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