Gold Member 800renegaderider Posted January 24, 2022 Gold Member Share Posted January 24, 2022 7 minutes ago, Cat45 said: I'd be ok with steeper fines as long as there's reasonable decibel testing. Impounding sleds is a hard no from me, i don't want to see my tax money going to pay for that It’s easy in NH the law is NO modified exhaust. Simply pop the side panel if it isn’t stock give them a ticket no decibel reading needed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cat45 Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 1 minute ago, 800renegaderider said: It’s easy in NH the law is NO modified exhaust. Simply pop the side panel if it isn’t stock give them a ticket no decibel reading needed. So putting a pipe on your sled with stock quiet muffler is against the law? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted January 24, 2022 Author Share Posted January 24, 2022 4 minutes ago, 800renegaderider said: It’s easy in NH the law is NO modified exhaust. Simply pop the side panel if it isn’t stock give them a ticket no decibel reading needed. I know of a Polaris 'mechanic' from NH that would and claims to have fought that in court with the right to repair act. He also claims to have won. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member 800renegaderider Posted January 24, 2022 Gold Member Share Posted January 24, 2022 18 minutes ago, Cat45 said: So putting a pipe on your sled with stock quiet muffler is against the law? Anything modified to the exhaust at all is illegal. I don’t agree with this but one of my riding buddies has gone as far as cutting the stock muffler shell off and wrapping it over his “quiet”can. I mean it’s worked so far but anyone who knows anything can clearly tell it’s got a exhaust 😂. I’d prefer to just leave it it’s not worth the hassle. 17 minutes ago, Crnr2Crnr said: I know of a Polaris 'mechanic' from NH that would and claims to have fought that in court with the right to repair act. He also claims to have won. Maybe it’s possible idk. I’d rather just keep it stock I don’t have time to spend a day in court fighting it and I don’t care to pay a fine it’s bad enough with speed here don’t need more attention brought to ya. Easier just to leave it stock no hassle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cat45 Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 Just now, 800renegaderider said: Anything modified to the exhaust at all is illegal. I don’t agree with this but one of my riding buddies has gone as far as cutting the stock muffler shell off and wrapping it over his “quiet”can. I mean it’s worked so far but anyone who knows anything can clearly tell it’s got a exhaust 😂. I’d prefer to just leave it it’s not worth the hassle. Maybe it’s possible idk. I’d rather just keep it stock I don’t have time to spend a day in court fighting it and I don’t care to pay a fine it’s bad enough with speed here don’t need more attention brought to ya. Easier just to leave it stock no hassle. Speed limit too? Holy fuck why even ride there? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liggett Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 34 minutes ago, 800renegaderider said: It’s easy in NH the law is NO modified exhaust. Simply pop the side panel if it isn’t stock give them a ticket no decibel reading needed. Same deal on the west side of the river. Good. Fines need to be expensive. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member 800renegaderider Posted January 24, 2022 Gold Member Share Posted January 24, 2022 Just now, Cat45 said: Speed limit too? Holy fuck why even ride there? I don’t haven’t in a few years we all ride Maine now. Speed limit is 45 but they give you to 55. Last time our group rode NH my bud got two speeding tickets in the same week. To be fair though 45 is for the most part plenty fast enough for the lower 2/3rds of the state but up north 45 even 55 is to damn slow for this guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cat45 Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 Just now, 800renegaderider said: I don’t haven’t in a few years we all ride Maine now. Speed limit is 45 but they give you to 55. Last time our group rode NH my bud got two speeding tickets in the same week. To be fair though 45 is for the most part plenty fast enough for the lower 2/3rds of the state but up north 45 even 55 is to damn slow for this guy I ride mn alot, they have 55 for a limit but i haven't seen it enforced ever. I've heard the usual stories about it but that's it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liggett Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 10 minutes ago, 800renegaderider said: I don’t haven’t in a few years we all ride Maine now. Speed limit is 45 but they give you to 55. Last time our group rode NH my bud got two speeding tickets in the same week. To be fair though 45 is for the most part plenty fast enough for the lower 2/3rds of the state but up north 45 even 55 is to damn slow for this guy Federal Forest land in Vermont is posted 35. And the SP and Wardens do run radar. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p51mstg Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 9 hours ago, Liggett said: Federal Forest land in Vermont is posted 35. And the SP and Wardens do run radar. I usually don’t complain about MN’s 55 mph speed limit, because nobody seems too interested in enforcing it. At 35 mph, even my wife would get pulled over. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liggett Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 Fortunately, Vt. isn't over-run with LE manpower. That, and they seem to be mostly active on weekends, which I do my best not to ride! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mag6240 Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 11 hours ago, Cat45 said: I ride mn alot, they have 50 for a limit but i haven't seen it enforced ever. I've heard the usual stories about it but that's it Fixed it for ya…. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catalina Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 Riding in the wrong places, and noise are not new problems. My brother found a copy of Life Magazine from 1971 in an antique shop someplace, and sent it to me. Some cool pics. If you can read the first page, the subjects of 'off trail' and noise are right up front. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted January 24, 2022 Author Share Posted January 24, 2022 1 hour ago, Catalina said: Riding in the wrong places, and noise are not new problems. My brother found a copy of Life Magazine from 1971 in an antique shop someplace, and sent it to me. Some cool pics. If you can read the first page, the subjects of 'off trail' and noise are right up front. Jason is a snowmobiler? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p51mstg Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 3 hours ago, Catalina said: Riding in the wrong places, and noise are not new problems. My brother found a copy of Life Magazine from 1971 in an antique shop someplace, and sent it to me. Some cool pics. If you can read the first page, the subjects of 'off trail' and noise are right up front. This is exactly what I’ve been saying all along on multiple forums. I remember it from my childhood, but never had any documented proof such as this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted January 26, 2022 Author Share Posted January 26, 2022 https://bigfrog104.com/wheres-the-respect-snowmobilers-cut-down-closed-trail-signs-in-deerfield/?trackback=fbshare_mobile But wait, it gets even better... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member 800renegaderider Posted January 26, 2022 Gold Member Share Posted January 26, 2022 2 hours ago, Crnr2Crnr said: https://bigfrog104.com/wheres-the-respect-snowmobilers-cut-down-closed-trail-signs-in-deerfield/?trackback=fbshare_mobile But wait, it gets even better... Fucking idiots no chance of that land owner ever coming around to potentially opening the trail now I’d bet. They shoulda put up some game cameras there so they could catch who is going around it or cutting it down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liggett Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 Landowner response is, "Police your own!" We are going to have to do it ourselves. You can't expect the landowner to go to the expense of monitored trail cameras and the labor of checking them just so he/she can generously allow trails to cross their land. We need heavier fines and sled impoundment to curtail this behavior. Will there be any riding left before we make it happen? State snowmobile groups are going to have to work with their state legislators to get the fines and sled impounding written into law to be effective. When? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racinfarmer Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 54 minutes ago, Liggett said: Landowner response is, "Police your own!" We are going to have to do it ourselves. You can't expect the landowner to go to the expense of monitored trail cameras and the labor of checking them just so he/she can generously allow trails to cross their land. We need heavier fines and sled impoundment to curtail this behavior. Will there be any riding left before we make it happen? State snowmobile groups are going to have to work with their state legislators to get the fines and sled impounding written into law to be effective. When? I believe that we are only a generation or two from loosing a large amount of the trails and land (public and private) we currently ride on today, whether it is in the Midwest or the East or the Mountains. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liggett Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 1 minute ago, racinfarmer said: I believe that we are only a generation or two from loosing a large amount of the trails and land (public and private) we currently ride on today, whether it is in the Midwest or the East or the Mountains. Electric sleds may address the noise and pollution issues by then, but they surely won't stop the off-trail riding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICG Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 Trespassers are a nuisance everywhere ... enforcement is almost none existent! We have too many quads riding through the woods roads onto farm property.... Police + Fish +Game have been of no real help. . . . Surprise surprise 😮 Comments are that all Yamahas are white and blue. Game Cameras have been a bust trying to film fast moving machine. Most effective measures are large berms made with dozer, closing roads. 2. Denying access to ALL legal hunters, trespassers, etc. As a land owner, I don't miss the FREE users on our property + waited too long before closing all access. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted January 27, 2022 Author Share Posted January 27, 2022 12 hours ago, Liggett said: Electric sleds may address the noise and pollution issues by then, but they surely won't stop the off-trail riding. Honestly, if people keep doing this shit I foresee more trails or sections of trails getting shut down, or clubs having to put up miles and miles of snow fencing to keep people on the actual trail. We lost one of my favorite connector trails this year and it really pisses me off. There was also a major reroute on my favorite trail that I doubt we'll ever get back. Some people are literally ruining it for everyone by their actions and I don't know how to cure it. 😡 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted January 27, 2022 Author Share Posted January 27, 2022 (edited) On 1/23/2022 at 8:27 PM, 800renegaderider said: Anything modified to the exhaust at all is illegal. I don’t agree with this but one of my riding buddies has gone as far as cutting the stock muffler shell off and wrapping it over his “quiet”can. I mean it’s worked so far but anyone who knows anything can clearly tell it’s got a exhaust 😂. I’d prefer to just leave it it’s not worth the hassle. Maybe it’s possible idk. I’d rather just keep it stock I don’t have time to spend a day in court fighting it and I don’t care to pay a fine it’s bad enough with speed here don’t need more attention brought to ya. Easier just to leave it stock no hassle. https://www.hardcoresledder.com/threads/slp-850-ex-mufflers.1838844/page-2 https://www.hardcoresledder.com/threads/slp-850-ex-mufflers.1838844/post-19983146 Took me a bit to find it but here was Rick's speech regarding the 'right to repair act'. Afaik he's right. If there's a sound ordinance and if you are compliant you can run whatever muffler you want. The issue though may lie in the way you or I might perform the test compared to the way an Leo may perform the test. There used to be an article online about it written by Olav Aaen but I'll be damned if I can find it any longer. Edited January 27, 2022 by Crnr2Crnr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member 800renegaderider Posted January 27, 2022 Gold Member Share Posted January 27, 2022 33 minutes ago, Crnr2Crnr said: https://www.hardcoresledder.com/threads/slp-850-ex-mufflers.1838844/page-2 https://www.hardcoresledder.com/threads/slp-850-ex-mufflers.1838844/post-19983146 Took me a bit to find it but here was Rick's speech regarding the 'right to repair act'. Afaik he's right. If there's a sound ordinance and if you are compliant you can run whatever muffler you want. The issue though may lie in the way you or I might perform the test compared to the way an Leo may perform the test. There used to be an article online about it written by Olav Aaen but I'll be damned if I can find it any longer. It sounds good and I’m sure you could beat it in court as he claims. I know NH definitely don’t do a sound reading on trial as far as I know. I’ve gotten a loud exhaust years ago on my Mach z. They open the hood/side panel if it’s not factory you get a ticket maybe it has changed since and they do readings now idk this was probably 10yrs ago I got that ticket. My issue is the officers not educated on what a decibel compliant exhaust is so they see not stock assume it’s loud and write a ticket. So you spend your day in court beat the ticket then what the following weekend you get another one and go through the bs again. It’s just not worth the hassle to me to save a couple pounds of weight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted January 27, 2022 Author Share Posted January 27, 2022 1 minute ago, 800renegaderider said: It sounds good and I’m sure you could beat it in court as he claims. I know NH definitely don’t do a sound reading on trial as far as I know. I’ve gotten a loud exhaust years ago on my Mach z. They open the hood/side panel if it’s not factory you get a ticket maybe it has changed since and they do readings now idk this was probably 10yrs ago I got that ticket. My issue is the officers not educated on what a decibel compliant exhaust is so they see not stock assume it’s loud and write a ticket. So you spend your day in court beat the ticket then what the following weekend you get another one and go through the bs again. It’s just not worth the hassle to me to save a couple pounds of weight. I concur, just laying out the info and am not encouraging 'can use'. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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