akvanden Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 3 hours ago, Highmark said: Bold makes no sense. Why not? mRNA covid vaccines, as well as traditional such as the J&J, were rushed because there were no alternatives. 3 hours ago, Highmark said: Do you think everyone should be taking the vaccine or only the vulnerable? I think whomever wants it should get it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ford_428cj Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 6 minutes ago, akvanden said: Why not? mRNA covid vaccines, as well as traditional such as the J&J, were rushed because there were no alternatives. I think whomever wants it should get it. Treatments were blocked why again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtssrx Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 53 minutes ago, akvanden said: Why not? mRNA covid vaccines, as well as traditional such as the J&J, were rushed because there were no alternatives. I think whomever wants it should get it. There were alternatives “Ivermectin and Hydrocroxy Cloriquine” work to fight off the virus once infected. the entire purpose of the vaccines is two fold. First huge profits for big pharma and two mass control of the population. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanner Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 2 hours ago, ford_428cj said: Treatments were blocked why again? Because if there is a treatment that works there can’t be a experimental emergency use treatment. If it came out that both of those worked they would have had to stop the shots until fda approved. Same thing as the smoke and mirrors move the fda did with comirnaty. Pfizer was never approved but comirnaty was. Problem is comirnaty isn’t available in the US. Once a Drug is FDA approved and available there can’t be a emergency use drug used. So all the idiots that think Pfizer is approved are wrong. Moderna and j&j would have had to stop being administered 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akvanden Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 3 hours ago, ford_428cj said: Treatments were blocked why again? Same as always, not proven in high quality clinical trials. 2 hours ago, jtssrx said: There were alternatives “Ivermectin and Hydrocroxy Cloriquine” work to fight off the virus once infected. the entire purpose of the vaccines is two fold. First huge profits for big pharma and two mass control of the population. So foreign countries destroyed their economies and let people die so they could help out US pharma? Very nice of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akvanden Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 1 hour ago, Nanner said: Because if there is a treatment that works there can’t be a experimental emergency use treatment. If it came out that both of those worked they would have had to stop the shots until fda approved. Same thing as the smoke and mirrors move the fda did with comirnaty. Pfizer was never approved but comirnaty was. Problem is comirnaty isn’t available in the US. Once a Drug is FDA approved and available there can’t be a emergency use drug used. So all the idiots that think Pfizer is approved are wrong. Moderna and j&j would have had to stop being administered When are they planning to approve Pfizer then? I assume they must still be working on it? Any idea why the FDA is being sued to release all the documentation as it relates to their licensing approval of the Pfizer vaccine if in fact it wasn’t actually approved? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roosting Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, akvanden said: Same as always, not proven in high quality clinical trials. So foreign countries destroyed their economies and let people die so they could help out US pharma? Very nice of them. Do they even have the vast infrastructure to study and produce there own medical supplies? That answer that you already know is no they dont. The world relies on a few big players and rides the coat tails accordingly. Figured with your self proclaimed knowledge base you would have known this simple fact. Bold: that are funded by big pharma. Why would they fund a trial that might obsolete a product that they will make billions of $$$ on? Edited January 19, 2022 by Roosting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akvanden Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 14 minutes ago, Roosting said: Do they even have the vast infrastructure to study and produce there own medical supplies? That answer that you already know is no they dont. The world relies on a few big players and rides the coat tails accordingly. Figured with your self proclaimed knowledge base you would have known this simple fact. So your saying that foreign countries, like those of Europe, can't produce ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine (assuming they actually worked) and that's why they're buying American pharma vaccines? Roche, Novartis, and Sanofi are all foreign pharmaceuticals that are larger than Pfizer - your saying they don't have the infrastructure? Moderna wasn't even on the map pre-covid, yet they were somehow able to figure it out. India/China/Russia and even Cuba are making their own COVID vaccines. 23 minutes ago, Roosting said: Bold: that are funded by big pharma. Why would they fund a trial that might obsolete a product that they will make billions of $$$ on? No, there are plenty of medical universities and independent hospital systems here in the US not funded by big US pharma. And that's just in the US. Tell me some more about these 'simple facts.' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deephaven Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 1 hour ago, akvanden said: So foreign countries destroyed their economies and let people die so they could help out US pharma? Very nice of them. And both Trump & Biden colluded with them to do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roosting Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 1 hour ago, akvanden said: So your saying that foreign countries, like those of Europe, can't produce ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine (assuming they actually worked) and that's why they're buying American pharma vaccines? Roche, Novartis, and Sanofi are all foreign pharmaceuticals that are larger than Pfizer - your saying they don't have the infrastructure? Moderna wasn't even on the map pre-covid, yet they were somehow able to figure it out. India/China/Russia and even Cuba are making their own COVID vaccines. No, there are plenty of medical universities and independent hospital systems here in the US not funded by big US pharma. And that's just in the US. Tell me some more about these 'simple facts.' I said a few big players and then you list them. Well if Cuba can do it then anyone can, So how many billions of doses has Cuba provided to the word? So show us there studies showing if it works or not. So where does the money come from for these universities to study something? A grant from big pharma? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akvanden Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 5 hours ago, Roosting said: I said a few big players and then you list them. Well if Cuba can do it then anyone can, So how many billions of doses has Cuba provided to the word? So show us there studies showing if it works or not. So where does the money come from for these universities to study something? A grant from big pharma? There are a lot of big players, many outside of the US, many much larger than pfizer and Moderna. India is the largest vaccine producer in the world - was it their coattails you were referring too? Here's one from the University of Minnesota and it's subsequent publication in the New England Journal of Medicine. Funding is listed and shockingly no large big pharma grants. Although, you'd think Merck would want to fund one, since they have rights to ivermectin here in the US. They could really make a killing. https://med.umn.edu/news-events/university-minnesota-trial-shows-hydroxychloroquine-does-not-prevent-covid-19-high-risk-health-care-workers https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2016638?query=featured_home 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ez ryder Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 On 1/19/2022 at 2:29 PM, akvanden said: Same as always, not proven in high quality clinical trials. So foreign countries destroyed their economies and let people die so they could help out US pharma? Very nice of them. Yes and it us not just US pharma .they have paid every one for yrs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ez ryder Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 On 1/19/2022 at 2:29 PM, akvanden said: Same as always, not proven in high quality clinical trials. So foreign countries destroyed their economies and let people die so they could help out US pharma? Very nice of them. Yes and it is not just US pharma .they have paid every one for yrs It's all safe they say . Nothing to worry about. Get your kids shot up now before it is to late Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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