akvanden Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 5 hours ago, motonoggin said: Capitalism didn't exist until we invented it, and the transition from feudalism to capitalism took at least a century to become the dominant system. The idea of free markets where people can buy and sell as they choose has been around since the dawn of civilization. The idea of capitalism, as an economic system based on the premise of free markets, has been around for centuries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Rigid1 Posted December 15, 2021 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted December 15, 2021 11 hours ago, motonoggin said: Wouldn't work for what? I'm suggesting getting the least little bit informed rather than asking questions that have already been answered in the text. It wouldn't work because man will change it and not follow it, plus perceptions are different for everyone. One person might read it and think this means this and another will read it and say that mean that, correct??..Look at the constitution for example..Whole lot of different interpretations of what a few sentences mean. So going off a book written 180 years I don't see working. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 6 hours ago, akvanden said: The idea of free markets where people can buy and sell as they choose has been around since the dawn of civilization. The idea of capitalism, as an economic system based on the premise of free markets, has been around for centuries. Good point. Commerce and capitalism aren't the same thing. 5 minutes ago, Rigid1 said: It wouldn't work because man will change it and not follow it, plus perceptions are different for everyone. One person might read it and think this means this and another will read it and say that mean that, correct??..Look at the constitution for example..Whole lot of different interpretations of what a few sentences mean. So going off a book written 180 years I don't see working. 🤦♂️ I'm suggesting you guys read it for context and background, not live by it. Ffs dude, come on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Rigid1 Posted December 15, 2021 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted December 15, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, motonoggin said: Good point. Commerce and capitalism aren't the same thing. 🤦♂️ I'm suggesting you guys read it for context and background, not live by it. Ffs dude, come on. Well sorry bro, I've asked some questions about way of life comparisons, you say read the book, and now you say it's not something to live by.. I asked where your ideals were tried before, you said it hasn't existed yet, but now your telling me to read the book for back ground on your ideals.. Ffs, Do you not see your plain as day contradictions? Edited December 15, 2021 by Rigid1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 7 minutes ago, Rigid1 said: Well sorry bro, I've asked some questions about way of life comparisons, you say read the book, and now you say it's not something to live by.. I asked where your ideals were tried before, you said it hasn't existed yet, but now your telling me to read the book for back ground on your ideals.. Ffs, Do you not see your plain as day contradictions? No, I suggested reading the book to put shit into context and maybe learn a little bit about actual theory. Fuckin a. 🤦♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Rigid1 Posted December 15, 2021 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted December 15, 2021 (edited) 10 minutes ago, motonoggin said: No, I suggested reading the book to put shit into context and maybe learn a little bit about actual theory. Fuckin a. 🤦♂️ I don't give a flying fuck about theory, as theory can be interpreted different ways and I NEVER ASKED ABOUT THEORY.. Everything I asked was about way of life..Theory is not reality...If you can't answer or show that then just say it. Instead you danced around it.. Maybe try slowing down and you will be able to comprehend the questions better.. Edited December 15, 2021 by Rigid1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 13 minutes ago, Rigid1 said: I don't give a flying fuck about theory, as theory can be interpreted different ways and I NEVER ASKED ABOUT THEORY.. Everything I asked was about way of life..Theory is not reality...If you can't answer or show that then just say it. Instead you danced around it.. Maybe try slowing down and you will be able to comprehend the questions better.. You'll never understand shit if you don't read theory. This is the problem with some people. You all want to be spoonfed and won't make any effort to educate yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 10 minutes ago, motonoggin said: You'll never understand shit if you don't read theory. This is the problem with some people. You all want to be spoonfed and won't make any effort to educate yourself. You should mix in some history, on many levels, with all your “theoretical study”. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkisNH Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 46 minutes ago, motonoggin said: No, I suggested reading the book to put shit into context and maybe learn a little bit about actual theory. Fuckin a. 🤦♂️ Theory < Laws Laws of supply and demand will exist even if you try and apply Marxist theory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, SkisNH said: Theory < Laws Laws of supply and demand will exist even if you try and apply Marxist theory. Yeah. That’s why emotionalists can’t see the direct connection between stagnating wages and population booms. Supply and demand is the ultimate factor and communism can’t change that Edited December 15, 2021 by ACE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Rigid1 Posted December 15, 2021 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted December 15, 2021 1 hour ago, motonoggin said: You'll never understand shit if you don't read theory. This is the problem with some people. You all want to be spoonfed and won't make any effort to educate yourself. I'm asking about facts for a comparison on quality of life between what you want and my current life which is absolutely awesome.. Not a theory which is an idea or a thought.. If you can't provide any facts or proof just say it, "I have no factual proof that this would be a better way to live" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snoughnut Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 8 hours ago, akvanden said: The idea of free markets where people can buy and sell as they choose has been around since the dawn of civilization. The idea of capitalism, as an economic system based on the premise of free markets, has been around for centuries. It has changed dramatically in recent history. If free market capitalism really still existed, the banks would have been left to fail back in 2008 but no, they were rewarded for participating in risky practices. (TARP Bailout) If you as an individual would have taken sketchy risks and failed, you would have been told ....."you're fucked, have a nice life". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 Communism has been so awesome historically 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 7 minutes ago, ACE said: Communism has been so awesome historically If I had a $1.00 for every time communism has worked in the past I would have $0.00. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Rod Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 6 minutes ago, irv said: Read somewhere once that his family tried to stop him from getting any inheritance because he was such an absolute loser Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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akvanden Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 2 hours ago, snoughnut said: It has changed dramatically in recent history. If free market capitalism really still existed, the banks would have been left to fail back in 2008 but no, they were rewarded for participating in risky practices. (TARP Bailout) If you as an individual would have taken sketchy risks and failed, you would have been told ....."you're fucked, have a nice life". Sure, and not so recently standard oil would still be a monopoly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 Clearly the forum is way too propagandized and committed to arguing in bad faith for this to be a productive conversation. If anyone wants to discuss this subject privately without all the preening and posturing, feel free to dm me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Skidooski Posted December 15, 2021 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted December 15, 2021 1 hour ago, franks pond said: scrub.mp4 She speak fluent Biden or is it the other way around? Amazing we have mental defects like this in the highest position of office Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 52 minutes ago, motonoggin said: Clearly the forum is way too propagandized and committed to arguing in bad faith for this to be a productive conversation. If anyone wants to discuss this subject privately without all the preening and posturing, feel free to dm me. You might want to start by telling your comrades all this time they have been fighting for the fascists and are being used as pawns, yup you got it right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 17 minutes ago, ArcticCrusher said: You might want to start by telling your comrades all this time they have been fighting for the fascists and are being used as pawns, yup you got it right. So stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepr2 Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 1 hour ago, motonoggin said: Clearly the forum is way too propagandized and committed to arguing in bad faith for this to be a productive conversation. If anyone wants to discuss this subject privately without all the preening and posturing, feel free to dm me. Yeah, everyone else is wrong and history doesn’t matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 19 minutes ago, motonoggin said: So stupid. Says the fool cheering for the commies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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