ArcticCrusher Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 8 minutes ago, Plissken said: Lol….sure. Let the class know if and when they debunk this one….. odds of laboratory-confirmed COVID-19 among unvaccinated adults with previous SARS-CoV-2 infection were 5.49-fold higher than the odds among fully vaccinated recipients of an mRNA COVID-19 vaccine who had no previous documented infection https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/pdfs/mm7044e1-H.pdf So a freedom of information request that has legal binding that shows no re-infection on record. Sorry pal. This is fake news without receipts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deephaven Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 1 hour ago, Highmark said: So he's not getting a booster but the actual 1st dose of the jab? 1st jab, 2nd jab, booster, aren't they all the exact same thing? I didn't ask as I don't actually care what he does. His choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plissken Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, ArcticCrusher said: So a freedom of information request that has legal binding that shows no re-infection on record. Sorry pal. This is fake news without receipts. I think you’re talking about the FOIA request pertaining to re-infected unvaccinated spreading COVID. That’s a far different thing than whether unvaccinated can be re-infected. Obviously they can be as is supported by numerous UN-debunked studies. Furthermore only a mental midget would conclude that re-infected unvaccinated cannot possibly spread COVID albeit a goalpost shift from your original assertion. Edited November 16, 2021 by Plissken 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted November 16, 2021 Author Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted November 16, 2021 1 hour ago, Deephaven said: 1st jab, 2nd jab, booster, aren't they all the exact same thing? I didn't ask as I don't actually care what he does. His choice. No...at least the booster isn't a full dose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 42 minutes ago, Plissken said: I think you’re talking about the FOIA request pertaining to re-infected unvaccinated spreading COVID. That’s a far different thing than whether unvaccinated can be re-infected. Obviously they can be as is supported by numerous UN-debunked studies. Furthermore only a mental midget would conclude that re-infected unvaccinated cannot possibly spread COVID albeit a goalpost shift from your original assertion. So you should have no problem bringing facts to this discussion. I'll wait. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akvanden Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 10 hours ago, Highmark said: If you think they aren't looking for these cases you are fucking crazy. Trust the CDC? https://www.westernjournal.com/thanks-foia-request-cdc-just-made-biggest-admission-covid-yet/ Is natural or vaccinated immunity better for fighting COVID? The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has offered conflicting evidence on this, which is causing more questions about the efficacy of the vaccine. Last month, the CDC published a new study that seemed to firmly indicate that immunity from the vaccine is better than natural immunity. “Unvaccinated people who had survived a previous COVID-19 infection were more than five times more likely to be reinfected with the virus compared to those who were fully vaccinated with the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines,” CBS News reported on the CDC findings. But there is new evidence that seems to debunk this claim from the CDC. In response to a Freedom of Information Act request from a lawyer, the CDC admitted that they have not had any documented cases of an unvaccinated individual with natural immunity spreading the virus. But the CDC is not the only place that is collecting data and running studies on COVID. Recently an Israeli study that has been collecting data from March 1, 2020, to August 14, 2021, published data to show that natural immunity is actually stronger than the immunity gained from the Pfizer vaccine. “SARS-CoV-2-naïve vaccinees had a 13.06-fold … increased risk for breakthrough infection with the Delta variant compared to those previously infected,” the study concluded. The Israeli study was several times larger than the CDC’s study that concluded that vaccine immunity was superior. This Israeli study, coupled with the new admission from the CDC that there have been no recorded cases of those with natural immunity spreading the virus, seems to contradict the CDC’s constant messaging that everyone needs to get vaccinated. The arguments around vaccines have been so politically charged that it’s natural to begin asking whether the CDC is really as apolitical as it claims. So far, the CDC has been on the side of those who are calling for vaccine mandates, promoting the vaccine and even incentivizing it. The CDC has even been campaigning for “vaccine confidence.” “Strong confidence in COVID-19 vaccines within communities leads to more adults, adolescents, and children getting vaccinated ― which leads to fewer COVID-19 illnesses, hospitalizations, and deaths,” the CDC said. But nearly everything regarding the vaccine now is politically charged. It’s no secret that the greatest battle over the vaccine is political, not scientific. The scientific facts seem to merely be tools in the broader political roil. Last year, when the vaccine was still being developed, Brookings predicted this politicization. “And now, as with all aspects of COVID-19, politics has crept into the vaccine conversation in ways that threaten to derail public confidence,” Brookings noted on Oct. 30, 2020. But it’s not just the politicization that is raising questions. Those who are hesitant about the vaccine may have good reason after now seeing the CDC double back on itself and conflict with other studies about the vaccine immunity. Just thinking out loud here, but does the virus mutate the 2nd time you get it making it no longer transmissible? How does that work. 🤔 What’s really strange is that Israel, not just the CDC, is still vaccinating - even after their study. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 If you actually believe that immunity from a leaky pseudo vaccine is better than immunity from natural infection then you fully deserve the mediocre bullshit life that you have 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted November 17, 2021 Author Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted November 17, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, akvanden said: Just thinking out loud here, but does the virus mutate the 2nd time you get it making it no longer transmissible? How does that work. 🤔 What’s really strange is that Israel, not just the CDC, is still vaccinating - even after their study. I would think they would be on top of any slight variations including those previously infected or is there simply not enough reinfections to really research? If 2nd infection is no longer transmissable WTF are they vaccinating those people for? You really need to ask the 2nd question? Once a govt commits to vaccinations they aren't going back, especially with a experimental mRNA vaccine that they jabbed by the 10's of millions....the people would be outraged. Edited November 17, 2021 by Highmark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akvanden Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 (edited) 44 minutes ago, Highmark said: I would think they would be on top of any slight variations including those previously infected or is there simply not enough reinfections to really research? If 2nd infection is no longer transmissable WTF are they vaccinating those people for? You really need to ask the 2nd question? Once a govt commits to vaccinations they aren't going back, especially with a experimental mRNA vaccine that they jabbed by the 10's of millions....the people would be outraged. I’m asking if that logically makes sense (PS - no it doesn’t). You’re right, it’s not mutating, so assuming one still inhales and exhales and has the virus present due to a second infection, they’d be able to transmit. No, I regret asking after an answer like that. It’s not like some countries in northern Europe temporarily pulled moderna for certain ages to do further research. People would be outraged to know they were part of an experimental mRNA vaccine. Edited November 17, 2021 by akvanden Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crowder Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 (edited) 14 hours ago, SkisNH said: No they didn't collect any data because the only narrative that mattered was the Vaccine...I also had a client that had it Edited November 17, 2021 by Crowder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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